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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg you know I have

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something unique to offer our listeners

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on the power cast this week some unique

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or almost unique things number one in

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terms of uniqueness is the fact that

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Chris rather than being somewhere else

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and that's an old Abbott and Costello

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joke by the way it's somewhere else

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where I can prove you're somewhere else

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he is actually right here about 12 feet

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from me in our studio no more like 5

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feet but who's counting I wish you were

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12 feet away the only thing is he if you

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go any farther back you'll hit the file

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cabinet and if you go even farther back

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to go through the wall and I understand

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they do that with UFO abductions yes

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they do we have someone who when we will

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ask you to view him back in 2009 he was

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a documentary filmmaker he had a film

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called

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I know what I saw James Fox but now

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James Fox you are and honest-to-goodness

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superhero yeah my superhero powers

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haven't quite yet been revealed that's

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coming in the second season so it's

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still classified top secret but yeah

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it's gonna be it's gonna be quite quite

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quite a show yeah but you're still able

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to leap tall fences in a single bound so

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do you know that I actually held the

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record in my County for 10 years a long

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jump

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so in some respects I am a superhero I

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jumped 15 and a half feet the first jump

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I ever did when I was 15 years old the

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health off the record in Marin County

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for 10 years Wow pretty impressive don't

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you think do you realize that as you get

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over 50 or something your powers will

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come to the fore you'll be able to leap

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tall buildings

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but I'm looking forward to it right now

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this utility belt that you're wearing

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their secret weapons and things that you

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guys are wearing over there and chasing

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UFOs this is a dumb question I know but

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I really it's only a proper question and

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and what's really which what's something

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I actually pushed for for the first

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season didn't didn't get but it looks

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like it's fairly promising for the

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second season and that's an ak-47 are we

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serious so look out GI James is coming

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at you well I I have a quick question

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his rider married you know in my pursuit

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of truth he didn't answer that what does

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your girlfriend think about Erin Ryder

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you know I don't think they have met I

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don't know I don't think they've met all

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right you people they're 24/7 with each

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other and of course rumors can arise

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maybe someone will send a tweet out

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about this you know seriously okay

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James Fox got himself mixed up with a

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National Geographic TV show called

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chasing UFOs it's getting major

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publicity and by the time you hear the

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show neighbors you will seen of course

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the first couple of episodes and we'll

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go into what's in those episodes let's

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do some background stuff first part of

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that publicity campaign is a survey from

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National Geographic about UFO belief in

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the United States now can we go over

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this briefly James

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oh okay so let me just read you some of

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the stats but I also have a survey from

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and I think you want to see very curious

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to hear about that yeah so then you know

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they took a survey back in like 1947 and

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then maybe 80 or 90% of the people did

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not believe in UFOs but according to a

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story all over the world now 80 million

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people if the survey is applied to the

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entire USA believe that UFOs exist which

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is what about a third of the population

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that's about okay and a tenth believed

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they spotted one well it's 30 million

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people you wonder out that percentage

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how many people actually spotted one

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well I guess anybody who sees a strange

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light in the sky could say I saw UFO I'd

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have fast question here about this this

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survey is this done like a Gallup poll

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will you do a scientifically selected

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sampling and everything you know I have

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all the details of that survey they

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actually hired an outside company to do

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it and they just select at random from

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what I understand you know just like any

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other survey I would imagine they don't

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actually speak to 80 million people you

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know they do a random close so that's

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usually going to blow five hundred a

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thousand fifteen hundred that kind of

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sad I think it was like fourteen hundred

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twenty votes 14 or 17 other people and

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had to look at the stats on that but

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that's what I think they did it sounds

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like a pretty substantial sampling but

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now there are more interesting things

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here and I want to go over it of course

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one of the things we've talked about

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frequently on the power camps is a

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legend of the men in black okay

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so looking at the survey here we have

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the men in black supposedly they go to

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people who've seen UFOs or had other

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paranormal encounters and they say don't

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talk about shut up okay we understand

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that some people believe they're from

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the military some an intelligence agency

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some may be extraterrestrial we don't

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know but according to the survey and

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this is interesting here fifty-five

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percent of Americans believe that men in

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black type agents threaten people who

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report UFOs so what did do you take that

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with Jim well it's interesting because

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you know obviously the the whole men in

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black has got lots of baggage from you

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know the very successful blockbuster hit

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men in black and I never really thought

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a whole lot of it but however I have

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stumbled upon a couple of cases you know

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either to direct contact with witnesses

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or you know archived interviews going

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back as far as you know the McMinnville

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Oregon case the mystery business shrimp

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and she said that you know and a

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gentleman from an unknown sort of

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government agency was was harassing her

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recently in touch with a woman who's had

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extensive investigations on the Rex

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Heflin photographs from 1965 Santa Ana

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California and he reported harassment by

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a similar style organization I guess

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they said they were from from someplace

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it turns out they weren't they took the

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original Polaroids that he shot and

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those disappeared for like 30 or 35

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years then there was a the 1997 case

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when I was written when I was

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researching the Phoenix lights there was

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a former Vietnam vet that was up on his

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roof trying to get a glimpse of the

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hale-bopp comet and he had his scanners

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out and he heard truck drivers talking

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about this massive UFO that was headed

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his way so he said his camera on it and

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apparently got some very impressive

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footage and you familiar with Frances

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Barwood former City Councilwoman from

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the Phoenix space Phoenix lights case

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yeah well he was in touch with her they

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made arrangements for him to drop this

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footage off at her office just to let

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you know we are probably right now James

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may be minutes from where she lives

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because we're in Phoenix oh wow

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well anyway so this this guy calls her

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up and he says hey I've got this

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phenomenal footage are you inches he

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said of course I am as I made

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arrangements he was gonna drop it off

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her office and I'm not sure if it was

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that evening or the next day this car

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pulls up two men in black suits that are

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quite menacing arrive to pick up they

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said they're from Frances Barwood office

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there to pick up the footage he said

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that he was relieved that it's all they

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wanted they asked if there are any

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copies his head no they took the footage

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and left and so Frances never hears from

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him he never hears from Frances I think

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I don't know how much time goes by but

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it may be five days he calls her he said

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well what do you think she said well I

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don't know you never came by to drop

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footage off and he said well you had two

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men from your office show up at my house

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she said I didn't send anybody over it

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was a number of II type scenario almost

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like a move

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type scenario so there's been a number

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of these these cases where you know

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these mysterious men most the time in

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suits

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certainly all the ones that I've heard

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show up in quite many I mean even the

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Bob you know Jacobs Robert Jacobs from

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the the Annenberg Air Force once I think

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it was 1964 said that there are two men

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in suits remember that that case well

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they seem a little older than you are

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but they do say I do remember some of

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these things I don't know anymore

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all right well yeah you had the launch

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of an atlas rocket at Vandenberg Air

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Force Base and they were filming it for

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that with a high-powered telescope

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camera to capture all three stages of

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powered flight and you know at one point

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this shape object comes into view and

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chooses people live over one he captures

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the whole thing on film and we'll get to

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where it went next in a moment James Fox

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james fox he's one of the three

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participants of a new TV series for

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National Geographic called chasing UFOs

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and he's joined by the skeptic Ben McGee

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and the very hot Erin Ryder who's there

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for tech and reconnaissance okay I'd

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like to recon or attack James I must say

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I really enjoyed watching me the first

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episode of the show it was quite a bit

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better than night I was expecting yeah

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the trailers leading up to the show

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leave a little bit to be desired and I

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think I think they're exciting and all

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that but they really do kind of make you

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guys look a little ridiculous I'm oh

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yeah well you know everybody at the

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production company because you know the

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trailer was done by Nat Geo

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the production company actually produced

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these series right and you know well you

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know you have to create these episodes

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keep it in mind that you know people

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want to be entertained it wants to be

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the sense of adventure but who really

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want to do is much credible and and

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solid witness and evidence as possible

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and when Nat Geo suggested shooting this

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promo sort of caught us all off guard

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and we didn't really have a whole lot of

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say-so in the matter and just happened

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rather quickly and it came out we

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thought wow what was that called me up

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and they just laugh that's all they

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could do didn't eat on they just laughed

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they're like you know this is the

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funniest thing ever you know so we were

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all we were all quite taken back by by

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that but hey you know National

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Geographic they've done their homework

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and they seem to to know what it takes

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to stimulate some excitement and and and

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viewership and I guess if that's what it

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takes and hey that's what it takes but

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it certainly wasn't something that we

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would have thought up I knew what I

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wanted to get back to what he was

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telling us

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before we did the break though he was

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talking about about men in black and

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then we can go more into the show

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because we were yes you know Robert Jake

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is basically said that he was called in

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by Florence day management I guess he

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was the ranking officer in charge

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I think what's the next day or the

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following day after that they had a

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little room set up in a projector I

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don't remember those 16 millimeter film

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footage or 35 millimeter film footage

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but in either case you know that for big

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movie studios it was probably 16 or even

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8 probably yeah probably 15 so anyway so

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they there was the film from the day

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before or the two days before from the

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launch at Vandenberg of this Atlas

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rocket and he was ordered to sit down

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and they hit play on the machine and

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there was these launching a couple days

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earlier looking great and suddenly as I

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said earlier this is disc-shaped object

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Andrews frame and it circles the dummy

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warhead and shoots beams of light at it

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and it tumbles out of the sky and they

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press stop and they turned to him and

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said what was that he said looks to me

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like we got a UFO and these guys

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Institute's caught that bit of footage

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is according to Robert Jacobs cut that

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portion of film footage out and it was

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never seen or heard from again

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men in black I don't know you tell me

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well we've done several shows on I'm

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still not sure that I know what to say

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about the men in black now there's a

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couple other things you're interesting

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about the survey but the one thing that

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was really provocative in a sense is

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would President Barack Obama or Mitt

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Romney the Challenger handle an alien

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invasion better and Obama won 65 percent

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of the contest is that because maybe

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they thought he'd send drones out to

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kill et you know your guess is as good

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as mine on that one I mean perhaps they

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think he's got a cool temperament I'm

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not sure what do you think well you know

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it might be that I mean he has his

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credentials you got rid of bin Laden so

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I guess they figured you can get rid of

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et let me give you some information here

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you probably don't know and I'm not

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going to hold you to it here but we see

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the survey about 1/3 of the people in

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the United States believe in UFOs in

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2012 back in 1990

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six from George magazine based on a

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survey they decided that 74% believed in

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US government was involved in cover-ups

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what was the percentage seventy-four

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percent believed the US government was

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currently involved in cover-ups

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seventy-four percent in 1971 1990 1996

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74 percent of the American population

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believed that there was a government

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cover-up regarding UFOs right now at

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Newsweek poll nineteen ninety six forty

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eight percent believe UFOs are real

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forty eight percent nineteen

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ninety-seven Gallup forty eight percent

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again so it looks like the number of

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people who believe in UFOs has gone down

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now Life magazine let me see what they

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say is that forty nine percent this is

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in two thousand forty-nine percent

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believed the US was withholding

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information about UFOs forty nine

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percent so in that poll it's the

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downward trend forty three percent

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believed they were real so what I'm

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seeing here is that over the years we've

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reached kind of a peak half the people

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believe in UFOs now it's down to a third

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or maybe it's because people are really

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more concerned about their lives and not

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so much about UFOs and they don't

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consider it is that part of it maybe the

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populations just doubling so quickly

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that those younger generation has yet to

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be exposed to some of this good material

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that's a topic we've gone through

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sometimes discussions in our forums why

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younger people aren't interested and now

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let's get to the nuts and bolts of the

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show here a little bit and that is with

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chasing UFOs do you think the way you

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have it set up here you know a lot of

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action trying to get build a lot of

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action quick cuts everything like that

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trying to get younger people intrigued

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by the subject they are definitely going

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for that demographic no question about

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it

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and you know I've produced directed and

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shot three films prior to this which I'm

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quite proud of however they didn't rate

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that well

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I thought I know what I said I was going

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to be ahead of the park I really did

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granted we didn't do a whole lot of

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promotional stuff for it with the HD

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channel and it did okay the numbers were

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okay which I was rather disappointed

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about they this is not generally a

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format that I adhere to however

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television is changing people are

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growing accustomed to these rapid cuts

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people's attention spans are diminishing

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and it's unfortunate but it's just kind

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of the way it seems to be going so I've

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tried a number of platforms prior to

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this and there's future platforms and I

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will continue to try as well and this is

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just one of them you know a lot of

519
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people in the UFO community are like oh

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God James sold himself out well in some

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respects you could say that but another

522
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respect this production was going on

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with or without my participation I mean

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it was it was a green light and I really

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feel like I brought a lot of good stuff

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to the table and will continue to do so

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what I like to have a little more

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control in post-production you're damn

529
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right I would but I'm not the expert in

530
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what seems to sell good TV these days

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it's amazing for me to have the

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opportunity having said that it's

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amazing for me to have the opportunity

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of someone who's been an independent you

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know filmmaker doing things on a

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shoestring budget to have the level of

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support and backing of an organization

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like National Geographic and I think

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that there's a fine balance of good

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content and entertainment and that fine

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balance is what I'm trying to help

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encourage to find do you know I mean we

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have James Fox he's one of the three

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people who appear in the new National

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Geographic TV series called chasing UFOs

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that premiered on the 29th of June so

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after three years returns to tell us

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about his involvement with the new

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National Geographic show called chasing

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UFOs

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now James as you know some of those

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previous UFO reality shows have gotten a

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bit of a bad rap like one in which

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certain publisher of a UFO oriented

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magazine certain person who shall we say

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was co-author of a book

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well I think that's it yeah but we know

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for example Chris was interviewed on

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that show and they moved the entire

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location of what he was talking about

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from San Luis Valley to Sedona Arizona

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which is an amazing feat of geographic

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relations or manipulation or science

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fiction yeah that was rough which leads

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me to a question about how much

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involvement you actually have in

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selecting the cases that you're going to

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be presenting on the show and and if

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you're not involved who exactly is

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making these selections and what sort of

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process to your knowledge do they have

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in place to go out and actually send you

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guys around to particular locations to

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study particular cases how does that

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work well what we did is I was involved

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in the research sort of pre-production

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quite extensively and I and I picked a

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lot of like for instance in Arizona I

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picked Travis Walton I contacted him and

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decided hey what hasn't been done with

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your case what would you like to do

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and he talked about you know revisiting

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the actual site and taking a look at

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some of the abnormal growth ring

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patterns with you know with the tree

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rings and and specifically at Ground

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Zero

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I've never really had the manpower of

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the financial backing to do something

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like that so I proposed doing that idea

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what they wanted its production company

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because I guess the viewers kind of love

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this is we take it on kind of like a an

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adventure a trip a traveling adventure

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of uncovering things and moving to

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different locations and doing all that

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so you know a lot of times what would

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happen is I'd say hey you know I really

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want to go to snowflake Arizona wheat

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with Travis Walton possibly some of the

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other witnesses and go up to the site

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and revisit the site and do the

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application of the new science to

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determine whether or not it indeed that

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spaceship did in fact affect the plant

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life around

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that area which is a great opportunity

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but it wasn't just about going there for

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that case it's like all right well what

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other kind of activities we have in

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Arizona you know we're talking about of

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course we can't go there without

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mentioning the Phoenix lights there's

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other people that shot some videos that

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were rather interesting so it's like you

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have this sort of sense of adventure and

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you string the whole thing together that

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I had nothing to do with but some of the

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cases I've watched the table like for

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instance I said hey we should go check

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out what see what open minds is up to we

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should go and see revisit the Travis

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Walton case and then in terms of like

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that's what I said to you guys earlier

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is like well I would have liked to have

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had more control in post unfortunately I

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didn't have that I did have some level

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of oversight in terms of the people that

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I brought personally to the table for

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accuracy you know and I screamed to the

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best of my ability that stuff prior to

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going

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being locked but you know like I really

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pushed hard for Virginia Brazil you know

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the 1996 case because very few people

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Americans know about the roswell of

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Brazil you know we've mentioned we've

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had a couple of shows on that because

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we've had the key AJ curve are the key

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Brazilian investigator who interview

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he's just a really fun person

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was been agree absolutely we interviewed

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him in Brazil matter of fact I have one

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of our translators it's visiting new

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female that was in Sao Paulo and

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actually he traveled to Virginia with us

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he actually went a week in advance and

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helped locate witnesses that sort of

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thing so you know I pushed hard for the

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Virginia case you know how about Clara

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did you did you visit that wallet to do

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that that's an amazing case you know

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that took place in the 70s and but you

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know geographically it was just all the

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way on the other side of Brazil it was a

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really difficult to coordinate we only

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have a week to shoot a full episode

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that's a lot of shooting and and the

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amount of effort it takes manpower to

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shuffle all the gear and all the people

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around it's I've never worked in well

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with this structure I mean it's not just

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like pick up the camera bag and jump on

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an airplane how many people in the team

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you should see the level well it depends

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you know when we get there we meet

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usually meet up at least three four or

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five people you know you have

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translators coordinators that sort of

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thing it's it's a big production it's

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it's it's it's it's amazing actually

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what it takes but unfortunately that

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seems to be what's happening today now

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in reality television is that the

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budgets have gone down you don't have

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the timeframe that that one used to have

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to produce a one-hour show you know

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you've got a week it's very challenging

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and but that's to get the competitive

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edge that's what's happening in the TV

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world today you know it's series also

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James scripted series they also have the

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constraints where you know you got to

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film the thing what in about a week and

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it's got to be almost motion picture

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quality it's it's insane I mean what the

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the amount of effort that goes into it

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the amount of man-hours the amount of

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filming hours I mean it was Full Tilt

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boogie we barely got a chance to just

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enjoy see all these different places

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that we went to because it was just you

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know full full on and and that's another

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thing is just like you know it's the

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show does well hopefully it will you

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know hope so

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I'd like to have more control in the

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future of the stuff I understand how

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things are working a little better now

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but and and you know if the show as well

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you have a slightly larger budget you

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have a little more a little bit more

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time a little more wiggle room there's

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there's so many factors involved with

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this stuff but you know the fact is is

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that reality TV these days

819
00:33:31,130 --> 00:33:28,230
it's just it's there's a lot of pressure

820
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on the executives to produce you know a

821
00:33:35,630 --> 00:33:33,330
lot within a very small timeframe with a

822
00:33:37,370 --> 00:33:35,640
small budget so that's just kind of

823
00:33:40,490 --> 00:33:37,380
what's happening you didn't mean is

824
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:40,500
there NFC here is any pressure on the

825
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part of the producers you may not want

826
00:33:47,710 --> 00:33:43,470
to answer this question but certainly

827
00:33:50,780 --> 00:33:47,720
it's out there to Telegraph or hype

828
00:33:54,260 --> 00:33:50,790
specific elements of a story in order to

829
00:33:57,050 --> 00:33:54,270
get the audience you know in terms of

830
00:33:59,600 --> 00:33:57,060
like these the straight interviews I

831
00:34:01,610 --> 00:33:59,610
don't think so but in terms of like you

832
00:34:03,290 --> 00:34:01,620
know night investigations and going out

833
00:34:05,570 --> 00:34:03,300
yeah there's tremendous pressure you

834
00:34:07,070 --> 00:34:05,580
know and and sometimes you know we

835
00:34:08,930 --> 00:34:07,080
should be spending a week out under the

836
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:08,940
night sky when we only have one night

837
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:11,280
you know or maybe two nights

838
00:34:14,330 --> 00:34:13,200
well that was episode you sure lucked

839
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:14,340
out on the one that you were out

840
00:34:19,610 --> 00:34:17,490
although I got lucky twice I didn't see

841
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:19,620
them writer films I mean writer film

842
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:21,810
something that Ben was unable to debunk

843
00:34:25,940 --> 00:34:24,090
at all which is pretty unusual depends

844
00:34:27,110 --> 00:34:25,950
he's a very bright guy and he's always

845
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:27,120
constantly looking for a sort of a

846
00:34:31,310 --> 00:34:29,040
trestle explanation not to say that

847
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:31,320
those are always apply for for all the

848
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:32,490
video footage of photographic evidence

849
00:34:35,690 --> 00:34:33,930
out there but it's certainly in some

850
00:34:38,750 --> 00:34:35,700
cases I was certainly impressed with

851
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:38,760
with at least an attempt to explain some

852
00:34:42,110 --> 00:34:40,290
stuff and he was he's pretty much

853
00:34:43,610 --> 00:34:42,120
speechless on that one I don't know that

854
00:34:44,780 --> 00:34:43,620
was really strange we should give the

855
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:44,790
background of this this is the first

856
00:34:49,070 --> 00:34:47,610
episode which is on the 29th of you and

857
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:49,080
of course would be repeated it usually

858
00:34:54,980 --> 00:34:51,450
is with cable TV and this particular

859
00:34:59,180 --> 00:34:54,990
episode they cover the Stephenville

860
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Texas case of several years ago and in

861
00:35:04,580 --> 00:35:01,620
fact the title of the episode is Texas

862
00:35:06,170 --> 00:35:04,590
is four sightings and you guys go there

863
00:35:07,550 --> 00:35:06,180
and what you did which I thought was

864
00:35:09,710 --> 00:35:07,560
interesting is you have kind of a town

865
00:35:12,860 --> 00:35:09,720
hall where you invite the locals to come

866
00:35:15,380 --> 00:35:12,870
in and to report what happened to them

867
00:35:17,900 --> 00:35:15,390
I thought that was a good way to build a

868
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:17,910
lot of information real quick that was

869
00:35:21,590 --> 00:35:19,650
really cool you know that was something

870
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:21,600
that I had mentioned that had happened

871
00:35:27,310 --> 00:35:23,730
the first time I went there at 2008

872
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because I was actually filming some

873
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shoots for sort of pickup shoots for I

874
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know what I saw and I just happen to

875
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have a crew with me in Phoenix

876
00:35:40,130 --> 00:35:39,060
it was early January of 2008 and

877
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suddenly I got a phone

878
00:35:44,210 --> 00:35:41,790
call but this massive sighting in

879
00:35:46,430 --> 00:35:44,220
Stephenville and so I just so happened

880
00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:46,440
we were gonna fly the O'Hare to

881
00:35:49,940 --> 00:35:48,510
investigate their hair case we canceled

882
00:35:51,350 --> 00:35:49,950
that trip went straight to Stephenville

883
00:35:53,060 --> 00:35:51,360
and there was this massive town-hall

884
00:35:55,610 --> 00:35:53,070
meeting like all these people showed up

885
00:35:58,820 --> 00:35:55,620
it was amazing Steve Hudgens was there

886
00:36:00,170 --> 00:35:58,830
they had to move on and it was packed

887
00:36:01,430 --> 00:36:00,180
interesting that to them and I thought

888
00:36:02,300 --> 00:36:01,440
well that's a good idea maybe we should

889
00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:02,310
consider trying to put something like

890
00:36:05,210 --> 00:36:04,110
that together and we weren't sure if

891
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anyone was going to show up and the

892
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place was like for the better part pack

893
00:36:13,220 --> 00:36:10,260
was amazing and what you know to my

894
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:13,230
surprise the town hall meeting was

895
00:36:17,330 --> 00:36:15,810
nearly packed and it was on a Sunday you

896
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:17,340
know and I think it was yeah I was

897
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coming up before the Christmas holiday

898
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so it was amazing you know what's

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amazing is enjoying this session with

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James Fox one of the three participants

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we have James Fox he's one of the three

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action heroes and chasing UFOs from

1015
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National Geographic and we're going into

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the first episode where they go into the

1017
00:41:30,750 --> 00:41:28,300
Stephenville case they do a little night

1018
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watching and they're lucky now obviously

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people who are watching the show for the

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first time or are skeptical of reality

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shows when you were doing this nighttime

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thing you didn't invent a light in the

1023
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sky you saw one right yeah that

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definitely was not invented that really

1025
00:41:52,110 --> 00:41:49,900
happened I was about 200 yards away when

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it did and I heard her screaming over

1027
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the walkie-talkie get your butt over

1028
00:41:58,700 --> 00:41:56,830
here you know I would have loved to have

1029
00:42:03,930 --> 00:41:58,710
heard her without censoring the word

1030
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:03,940
blank UFO yes yes she definitely has a

1031
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:14,290
penchant for pretty rare now how did she

1032
00:42:19,170 --> 00:42:16,720
come into this in the show that she

1033
00:42:23,130 --> 00:42:19,180
believed disbelieve was she neutral was

1034
00:42:25,290 --> 00:42:23,140
a just a geek for her one she was raised

1035
00:42:26,820 --> 00:42:25,300
in the Hudson Valley area of New York so

1036
00:42:28,590 --> 00:42:26,830
she's kind of grown up knowing that this

1037
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:28,600
Dustin going on because you know that

1038
00:42:33,570 --> 00:42:30,640
night sees the whole Hudson Valley

1039
00:42:34,740 --> 00:42:33,580
sightings and so she's always had an

1040
00:42:37,290 --> 00:42:34,750
interested in it and then she

1041
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:37,300
inadvertently got involved with a TV

1042
00:42:41,340 --> 00:42:38,170
reality show called

1043
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:41,350
Destination Truth and she was actually

1044
00:42:44,340 --> 00:42:42,640
applying for a different position

1045
00:42:46,140 --> 00:42:44,350
altogether and I guess they said hey I

1046
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would really like to be one of the cast

1047
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:48,790
members you know and she's a she's a

1048
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:50,530
hardcore woman let me tell you this girl

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is fearless she's very strong she's

1050
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she's she's not scared to do anything

1051
00:43:00,270 --> 00:42:58,780
she I've seen her you know climb trees

1052
00:43:05,100 --> 00:43:00,280
and jump off things and rappel down

1053
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:05,110
cliffs I mean she's pretty hardcore as a

1054
00:43:08,730 --> 00:43:07,210
stunt person if she didn't do this he

1055
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would have totally made it ended up

1056
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:13,050
prison think exactly she is over here oh

1057
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:15,850
she is a total superhero and she's

1058
00:43:20,930 --> 00:43:18,250
beautiful superheroes incredibly capable

1059
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:20,940
I was very impressed with her ability to

1060
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:23,770
co-executive produce a TV show which is

1061
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a lot of a lot of work and

1062
00:43:31,610 --> 00:43:29,280
simultaneously beyond his caste I mean

1063
00:43:34,430 --> 00:43:31,620
okay so she's the co-executive producer

1064
00:43:35,150 --> 00:43:34,440
wow I didn't know that yep yep okay

1065
00:43:38,300 --> 00:43:35,160
interesting

1066
00:43:39,950 --> 00:43:38,310
so she's the co boss she's the co boss

1067
00:43:41,930 --> 00:43:39,960
she's in the field she's running the

1068
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game aha

1069
00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:45,410
now you're skeptic know this man McGee

1070
00:43:52,460 --> 00:43:48,510
then was picked no I didn't pick him see

1071
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:52,470
this show was this show they okay well

1072
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:54,650
back up a little bit here sure there was

1073
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probably a year to a year and a half ago

1074
00:44:03,020 --> 00:44:00,960
maybe a little bit more there was a

1075
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sizzle this is like a little demo reel

1076
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shot by ping pong productions in

1077
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Hollywood they found they did some

1078
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internet research and they found this

1079
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very brilliant paper written on I guess

1080
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you know I'm not doing it just basically

1081
00:44:21,590 --> 00:44:19,740
it's the plausibility of you know

1082
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extraterrestrial life from a geologists

1083
00:44:25,310 --> 00:44:23,430
standpoint where you might look like

1084
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most likely find it very very

1085
00:44:29,180 --> 00:44:27,270
beautifully written and they caught the

1086
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,190
eye of this production company so they

1087
00:44:34,340 --> 00:44:31,680
contacted this guy Ben McGee who turned

1088
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:34,350
out to be a geologist and a radiation

1089
00:44:40,940 --> 00:44:36,930
specialist he actually hold the top

1090
00:44:44,140 --> 00:44:40,950
secret clearance and he you know they

1091
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:44,150
approached him in black right now stop

1092
00:44:50,110 --> 00:44:47,490
he probably is and they approached him

1093
00:44:53,060 --> 00:44:50,120
and I guess writer and and and Ben McGee

1094
00:44:56,690 --> 00:44:53,070
shot a sizzle which was then picked up

1095
00:44:58,100 --> 00:44:56,700
by that geo so it was a done deal I had

1096
00:45:00,590 --> 00:44:58,110
nothing to do with any of that

1097
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,600
I was later approached probably months

1098
00:45:04,340 --> 00:45:02,400
later after the sizzle was shot after

1099
00:45:06,170 --> 00:45:04,350
the ball had started you know sort of

1100
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:06,180
got rolling and I was approached by this

1101
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:07,770
production company it's like hey

1102
00:45:12,590 --> 00:45:09,570
possibly come onboard for research and

1103
00:45:14,270 --> 00:45:12,600
maybe we have a position opening up as a

1104
00:45:16,730 --> 00:45:14,280
cast member and I thought well this

1105
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:16,740
could be an interesting gig NatGeo you

1106
00:45:22,070 --> 00:45:20,610
know and I wouldn't mind getting

1107
00:45:25,490 --> 00:45:22,080
involved something that possibly could

1108
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:25,500
help me you know increase my personal

1109
00:45:29,450 --> 00:45:27,330
exposure and possibly my previous works

1110
00:45:31,700 --> 00:45:29,460
and hey this could be an interesting gig

1111
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:31,710
but they weren't sold on that third

1112
00:45:37,070 --> 00:45:35,280
person that geo wasn't and so I you know

1113
00:45:39,410 --> 00:45:37,080
I auditioned once and I auditioned a

1114
00:45:42,380 --> 00:45:39,420
second time and

1115
00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:42,390
well we put together a number of the

1116
00:45:45,710 --> 00:45:43,710
letters why would we good

1117
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:45,720
you know on the show and what I'd had to

1118
00:45:49,850 --> 00:45:48,330
offer and and they just barely said it

1119
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:49,860
right towards the end right before going

1120
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:51,690
and I mean within a week of going into

1121
00:45:57,650 --> 00:45:54,530
reduction full phase production

1122
00:46:00,680 --> 00:45:57,660
they said alright we'll put James on on

1123
00:46:02,510 --> 00:46:00,690
his the third cast and we'll have them

1124
00:46:04,940 --> 00:46:02,520
on probation for the first two episodes

1125
00:46:07,850 --> 00:46:04,950
out of eight and we'll have one of our

1126
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:07,860
producers in the field with you for one

1127
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:10,530
of those episodes so I was sort of you

1128
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:12,090
know scrutinized

1129
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:14,730
my every move listen to all my OTS lay

1130
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:17,280
on the fly or in the field a common jury

1131
00:46:21,830 --> 00:46:19,050
and that sort of thing from the first

1132
00:46:23,180 --> 00:46:21,840
episode and then they said hey you know

1133
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:23,190
I think James has a lot to bring to the

1134
00:46:26,780 --> 00:46:25,050
table and brought me on board and that's

1135
00:46:29,890 --> 00:46:26,790
how that happened so it could have been

1136
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:29,900
a dynamic duo instead of a dynamic trio

1137
00:46:35,570 --> 00:46:32,250
exactly it was it was going to be a

1138
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:35,580
dynamic duo so I think that you know I'm

1139
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:37,650
quite confident that my contribution

1140
00:46:42,110 --> 00:46:40,170
made the show certainly added to the

1141
00:46:44,810 --> 00:46:42,120
show nobody got me to say anything I

1142
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:44,820
didn't want to say and I nice thing is

1143
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:48,000
is that I get a view my my point um like

1144
00:46:52,310 --> 00:46:49,770
say whatever I want about whatever case

1145
00:46:54,530 --> 00:46:52,320
I could put my foot down and say I think

1146
00:46:56,900 --> 00:46:54,540
this case is most likely a UFO or

1147
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:56,910
possibly eat here or comment on Travis

1148
00:47:00,260 --> 00:46:58,560
Walton that's nice

1149
00:47:02,510 --> 00:47:00,270
but like I said you know in terms of

1150
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:02,520
having full control and post-production

1151
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:05,520
and and exactly whatever's in the now

1152
00:47:10,250 --> 00:47:07,530
ecology used is string all this stuff

1153
00:47:11,780 --> 00:47:10,260
together unfortunately I don't have what

1154
00:47:14,180 --> 00:47:11,790
school I'd like to get some more and I

1155
00:47:16,310 --> 00:47:14,190
got my foot in the door and so I think

1156
00:47:18,050 --> 00:47:16,320
it you know it's it's a risky venture

1157
00:47:20,090 --> 00:47:18,060
but it's also very exciting venture and

1158
00:47:23,060 --> 00:47:20,100
it's like I said I can't emphasize you

1159
00:47:25,610 --> 00:47:23,070
guys enough how much difference it makes

1160
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:25,620
having an organization like National

1161
00:47:31,130 --> 00:47:28,410
Geographic behind what what we're doing

1162
00:47:33,050 --> 00:47:31,140
it's just it makes a lot more things

1163
00:47:35,330 --> 00:47:33,060
possible well certainly National

1164
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:35,340
Geographic has an image of a state

1165
00:47:41,330 --> 00:47:38,370
organization very serious so if they're

1166
00:47:43,070 --> 00:47:41,340
really pushing the UFO angle to the hilt

1167
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:43,080
I guess it is something you have to take

1168
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:45,450
seriously well you know they're they're

1169
00:47:49,490 --> 00:47:47,370
testing it out they're seeing you know

1170
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:49,500
what what can be done what's good and I

1171
00:47:53,210 --> 00:47:51,690
think it takes a while to you know

1172
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:53,220
fine-tune a show too

1173
00:48:00,380 --> 00:47:56,330
get the right balance going I intend to

1174
00:48:02,180 --> 00:48:00,390
you know fight along the way I'm open to

1175
00:48:03,859 --> 00:48:02,190
all to see all feedback and other

1176
00:48:05,300 --> 00:48:03,869
certain limitations with broadcast TV

1177
00:48:07,310 --> 00:48:05,310
I'm sure you guys are perfectly aware of

1178
00:48:09,410 --> 00:48:07,320
that sure but there are also things that

1179
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:09,420
can be done and changed and adjusted and

1180
00:48:16,730 --> 00:48:13,650
and and I fully intend to to work with

1181
00:48:18,650 --> 00:48:16,740
all the tools at my disposal to ensure

1182
00:48:22,010 --> 00:48:18,660
that's done you know I think I think a

1183
00:48:23,540 --> 00:48:22,020
very fine finely balanced show could be

1184
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:23,550
put together that's entertaining and

1185
00:48:27,410 --> 00:48:25,440
exciting adventurous but also

1186
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:27,420
informative and accurate and that's

1187
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:30,000
ultimately what my goal is on this

1188
00:48:34,190 --> 00:48:32,130
series now are you going to do any

1189
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:34,200
exposing of the fakers or just ignore

1190
00:48:38,980 --> 00:48:36,720
those things good question you know I

1191
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:38,990
don't even really have time for it and

1192
00:48:43,790 --> 00:48:41,490
it's because what's the point you know I

1193
00:48:46,220 --> 00:48:43,800
mean like we're really when you know

1194
00:48:48,740 --> 00:48:46,230
none of us were happy we're crazy about

1195
00:48:52,220 --> 00:48:48,750
the terminology chasing UFOs but you

1196
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:52,230
know we are in pursuit of good cases

1197
00:48:56,210 --> 00:48:54,810
good evidence and and I want nothing

1198
00:48:58,760 --> 00:48:56,220
more than the best evidence the best

1199
00:49:01,250 --> 00:48:58,770
cases do you know much I would love to

1200
00:49:03,380 --> 00:49:01,260
go to a crash site like Roswell or or

1201
00:49:07,790 --> 00:49:03,390
you know Digman Arizona with that one

1202
00:49:09,770 --> 00:49:07,800
Kings inner Kingdom from 52 sure yeah go

1203
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:09,780
one of these sites with all the proper

1204
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:13,050
tools and other uncover evidence that I

1205
00:49:17,900 --> 00:49:15,330
would like nothing more than to do that

1206
00:49:19,940 --> 00:49:17,910
and that ultimately is one of my goal

1207
00:49:21,890 --> 00:49:19,950
why you should you should talk with

1208
00:49:24,740 --> 00:49:21,900
Chuck Wade he's sitting on some material

1209
00:49:26,810 --> 00:49:24,750
that's very unusual some metal shards

1210
00:49:31,490 --> 00:49:26,820
that he was able to gather on the plains

1211
00:49:33,290 --> 00:49:31,500
of san agustin which is the topic you

1212
00:49:35,839 --> 00:49:33,300
guys seriously if anyone out there is

1213
00:49:37,940 --> 00:49:35,849
listening to this broadcast please

1214
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:37,950
please please contact me personally

1215
00:49:43,790 --> 00:49:40,890
through my website I know what I saw the

1216
00:49:45,620 --> 00:49:43,800
movie comm I know what I saw the movie

1217
00:49:47,660 --> 00:49:45,630
calm and let me know about these cases

1218
00:49:49,700 --> 00:49:47,670
because I will fight tooth and nail to

1219
00:49:52,220 --> 00:49:49,710
get all the best stuff I can I'm

1220
00:49:53,690 --> 00:49:52,230
surprised I'm surprised you guys didn't

1221
00:49:55,579 --> 00:49:53,700
come up to the San Luis Valley and talk

1222
00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:55,589
to me it's America's number one hot spot

1223
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:58,290
per capita wait hang on a second San

1224
00:50:01,790 --> 00:50:00,240
Luis valleys that excuse my grits I

1225
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:01,800
think I've been there isn't it don't

1226
00:50:06,380 --> 00:50:04,290
they have like a UFO tower out there you

1227
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:06,390
know that's a bit of a joke but if I was

1228
00:50:08,660 --> 00:50:06,960
going to put you

1229
00:50:10,910 --> 00:50:08,670
watchtower anywhere in the United States

1230
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:10,920
that's where I'd put it okay well then

1231
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:12,960
you know the UFO Watchtower I'm talking

1232
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:14,730
about right yeah Judy methylenes little

1233
00:50:26,780 --> 00:50:22,410
alien ChaCha shop yeah and you didn't

1234
00:50:29,180 --> 00:50:26,790
talk to me right but you understand that

1235
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:29,190
chris has written some very important

1236
00:50:34,970 --> 00:50:33,450
books on that subject yes the only

1237
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:34,980
reason why anybody really knows about is

1238
00:50:38,180 --> 00:50:36,450
because I put 13 years field

1239
00:50:42,860 --> 00:50:38,190
investigating there and investigated

1240
00:50:47,540 --> 00:50:44,780
it is the hottest spot in America per

1241
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:47,550
capita I think five of the top 11

1242
00:50:51,470 --> 00:50:49,410
counties in the United States per capita

1243
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:51,480
are there including siwash County which

1244
00:50:57,260 --> 00:50:54,450
has over 250 sightings per 10,000

1245
00:50:59,630 --> 00:50:57,270
population is that like it look a little

1246
00:51:03,020 --> 00:50:59,640
more something to me because is it

1247
00:51:04,930 --> 00:51:03,030
here's the lighter correct okay well yes

1248
00:51:07,820 --> 00:51:04,940
that that would explain the

1249
00:51:08,750 --> 00:51:07,830
what's-his-name's video got mad where

1250
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:08,760
I'm drawing a blank

1251
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:11,040
Tim ad where gentlemen would yeah Tim

1252
00:51:15,020 --> 00:51:12,480
Edwards thank you very much we got to

1253
00:51:17,870 --> 00:51:15,030
meet with his entire family and also the

1254
00:51:20,180 --> 00:51:17,880
the daughter and the father who was

1255
00:51:22,730 --> 00:51:20,190
there at the time we filmed that well

1256
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:22,740
you know for season two you are talked

1257
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:25,410
to Chris we have James Fox one of the

1258
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:27,930
three members of the team of chasing

1259
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:30,930
UFOs with gene and Chris you're in

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1307
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:11,900
here's gene Steinberg with Dean and

1308
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:13,760
Chris in the power cast we are chasing

1309
00:54:17,950 --> 00:54:16,160
UFOs with James Fox one of the three

1310
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:17,960
members of the team of the chasing UFOs

1311
00:54:23,590 --> 00:54:21,170
TV series and we've acquainted James

1312
00:54:26,050 --> 00:54:23,600
with now something for season two which

1313
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:26,060
is to explore what Chris O'Brien is done

1314
00:54:29,710 --> 00:54:28,160
with a mysterious valley if you want you

1315
00:54:32,770 --> 00:54:29,720
should get a hold of Chris's books on

1316
00:54:36,100 --> 00:54:32,780
the subject I would love nothing more

1317
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:36,110
yeahit's I was very treat also a really

1318
00:54:44,500 --> 00:54:40,450
beautiful place yeah America's Tibet

1319
00:54:46,510 --> 00:54:44,510
really was I was dressed well an

1320
00:54:48,460 --> 00:54:46,520
outbreak of flying humanoid sightings

1321
00:54:52,570 --> 00:54:48,470
we've had 20 in the last two years nine

1322
00:54:55,300 --> 00:54:52,580
within the last four months any good

1323
00:55:00,130 --> 00:54:55,310
photograph uh one cell phone footage by

1324
00:55:02,650 --> 00:55:00,140
a police officer Wow we're putting

1325
00:55:04,510 --> 00:55:02,660
together a seven kamla 24/7 high-def

1326
00:55:06,580 --> 00:55:04,520
surveillance setup on cell towers and

1327
00:55:08,140 --> 00:55:06,590
mountaintops what do you guys think

1328
00:55:10,660 --> 00:55:08,150
speaking of surveillance cameras what do

1329
00:55:12,850 --> 00:55:10,670
you think of the ranch that Bigelow has

1330
00:55:15,070 --> 00:55:12,860
been funding I was the first

1331
00:55:16,570 --> 00:55:15,080
investigator up there back in 96 I was

1332
00:55:23,740 --> 00:55:16,580
one that told Terry about Bigelow and

1333
00:55:25,660 --> 00:55:23,750
Laurance Rockefeller really yeah yep the

1334
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:25,670
whole area the whole you intubation has

1335
00:55:32,740 --> 00:55:30,410
amazing activity well you should read

1336
00:55:35,260 --> 00:55:32,750
Frank Sal's braised book the the great

1337
00:55:42,190 --> 00:55:35,270
Utah UFO display that he wrote back in

1338
00:55:44,110 --> 00:55:42,200
the mid-70s about the area it's a rent

1339
00:55:46,300 --> 00:55:44,120
in the fabric of reality it's some sort

1340
00:55:49,330 --> 00:55:46,310
of egress point there's there's some

1341
00:55:52,300 --> 00:55:49,340
sort of doorway there it moves around to

1342
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:52,310
I think it's not only on the Sherman

1343
00:55:55,870 --> 00:55:53,930
ranch or the Gorman ranch as the book

1344
00:55:58,720 --> 00:55:55,880
calls it but it's in that whole Fort

1345
00:56:00,730 --> 00:55:58,730
Dechaine Vernal roosevelt area and then

1346
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:00,740
south into the heart of the Uintah base

1347
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:02,530
and that is some of the spookiest the

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territory in the whole country the

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native Indians leave any indication that

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that was going on while they were there

1351
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yeah yeah and not only there but all

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over the southwest there's been an

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incredible activity recently on the Zuni

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Reservation on the border between New

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Mexico and Arizona they've had some

1356
00:56:24,050 --> 00:56:21,600
really impressive sightings that even

1357
00:56:25,850 --> 00:56:24,060
the Navajo Rangers are coming out and

1358
00:56:29,150 --> 00:56:25,860
talking about up around the Four Corners

1359
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:29,160
area this is all recent stuff phenomenal

1360
00:56:34,070 --> 00:56:31,200
then isn't it incredible how much of

1361
00:56:35,630 --> 00:56:34,080
this activity has been going on is going

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00:56:38,030 --> 00:56:35,640
on and most likely will obviously

1363
00:56:39,650 --> 00:56:38,040
continue to go on and yet most of the

1364
00:56:47,150 --> 00:56:39,660
world just doesn't have a clue

1365
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:47,160
no that's that's true my sympathy yeah

1366
00:56:51,850 --> 00:56:49,050
did you know when they came out with the

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health care ruling were they upheld the

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individual mandate two of the cable

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00:57:00,350 --> 00:56:58,590
networks got it wrong they decided that

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the mandate had been struck down by the

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Supreme Court one was CNN which

1372
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:04,590
apologized pretty quickly the other was

1373
00:57:10,670 --> 00:57:07,920
Fox News no relation they didn't

1374
00:57:12,830 --> 00:57:10,680
apologize they did in writing I mean

1375
00:57:15,980 --> 00:57:12,840
there is a written memo because what

1376
00:57:18,290 --> 00:57:15,990
happened in Judge Roberts decision you

1377
00:57:19,730 --> 00:57:18,300
had this two or three sentences may read

1378
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:19,740
the first sentence and reported what

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happened and didn't read the second

1380
00:57:27,590 --> 00:57:25,440
sentence which explained everything Wow

1381
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somehow that doesn't surprise me but in

1382
00:57:31,310 --> 00:57:28,950
case this guy just stood there with his

1383
00:57:31,790 --> 00:57:31,320
incredulous looker Shepard Diaz know who

1384
00:57:34,700 --> 00:57:31,800
he is

1385
00:57:37,250 --> 00:57:34,710
Shepard on Fox News Shepard oh yeah I

1386
00:57:38,780 --> 00:57:37,260
know I know who he is yes okay well

1387
00:57:40,190 --> 00:57:38,790
anyway you know he sort of stood there

1388
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:40,200
with this incredulous look on his face

1389
00:57:44,420 --> 00:57:42,480
the whole time and I just thought oh god

1390
00:57:47,390 --> 00:57:44,430
you know and that's like the

1391
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quintessential reporting on UFOs and I

1392
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:49,640
thought this guy hasn't got a clue

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[Music]

1394
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could you imagine it's like 1/10 the

1395
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resources went to that went to like the

1396
00:58:02,360 --> 00:57:59,850
Monica Lewinsky or Elia Gonzalez stories

1397
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would go to this and how potentially

1398
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explosive this would be yeah what what

1399
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:07,560
is going on yeah to me it's like you're

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just not in a noble you just don't know

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you know you just don't know what you're

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talking about we really care about

1403
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Lindsay Lohan's traffic accidents you

1404
00:58:18,350 --> 00:58:15,930
know but a part of me that's going gosh

1405
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:18,360
you know if this is the kind of stuff

1406
00:58:22,910 --> 00:58:20,250
that rates well oh my god not take the

1407
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wrong industry you know yeah

1408
00:58:37,329 --> 00:58:31,229
it James James Kubek of the American

1409
00:58:42,109 --> 00:58:40,339
let's not get be shot herself Chris

1410
00:58:44,660 --> 00:58:42,119
right now he's thinking because he's

1411
00:58:46,370 --> 00:58:44,670
here and because he's figures that he's

1412
00:58:48,890 --> 00:58:46,380
here in person I'm not gonna cut him off

1413
00:58:51,739 --> 00:58:48,900
but I will because he knows I have my

1414
00:58:54,049 --> 00:58:51,749
fingers on the mixer here and I could

1415
00:58:55,819 --> 00:58:54,059
just turn that down and that's it

1416
00:58:58,009 --> 00:58:55,829
but seriously speaking you know this

1417
00:59:00,469 --> 00:58:58,019
presents let's consider the obstacle in

1418
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:00,479
investigating UFOs we have move on we

1419
00:59:04,489 --> 00:59:02,130
have scatter organizations around the

1420
00:59:07,459 --> 00:59:04,499
world with a few thousand members we

1421
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:07,469
have some reality shows but the budget

1422
00:59:15,079 --> 00:59:10,319
you guys have is a fraction of what any

1423
00:59:17,390 --> 00:59:15,089
cable news outlet has 24/7 and imagine

1424
00:59:19,699 --> 00:59:17,400
if you had a Woodward Bernstein type of

1425
00:59:23,209 --> 00:59:19,709
investigative reporter who went after

1426
00:59:25,370 --> 00:59:23,219
the UFO mystery with a decent budget and

1427
00:59:27,949 --> 00:59:25,380
okay take six months to take a year

1428
00:59:30,589 --> 00:59:27,959
figure out what's going on what do you

1429
00:59:35,509 --> 00:59:30,599
think they come up with that we're being

1430
00:59:37,789 --> 00:59:35,519
visited pushing up daisies there you go

1431
00:59:39,410 --> 00:59:37,799
there you go even better exactly it's

1432
00:59:41,359 --> 00:59:39,420
probably a more accurate description of

1433
00:59:44,449 --> 00:59:41,369
what the end results of that

1434
00:59:48,429 --> 00:59:44,459
investigation was would yeah I

1435
00:59:51,890 --> 00:59:48,439
I eat it's funny because I remember

1436
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:51,900
going to commercial break when we did it

1437
00:59:58,279 --> 00:59:54,079
we did a segment there was one episode

1438
01:00:00,949 --> 00:59:58,289
of all the nine I think it was nine

1439
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:00,959
appearances that I helped organize for

1440
01:00:05,329 --> 01:00:03,839
the Larry King shows but there was one

1441
01:00:08,749 --> 01:00:05,339
in particular where I'd literally had it

1442
01:00:12,349 --> 01:00:08,759
my way I got to pick everybody they said

1443
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:12,359
at the end to correct several weeks to

1444
01:00:15,949 --> 01:00:13,650
put it together but they said at the end

1445
01:00:17,569 --> 01:00:15,959
of it we have to have a counter

1446
01:00:19,910 --> 01:00:17,579
viewpoint we have to have someone on I'm

1447
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:19,920
sorry but we have to do that and I said

1448
01:00:25,609 --> 01:00:22,559
okay well I didn't have a choice so I

1449
01:00:27,229 --> 01:00:25,619
think I picked I want to think I pick

1450
01:00:29,059 --> 01:00:27,239
James McGaha that time I'm not sure

1451
01:00:32,359 --> 01:00:29,069
because he seemed like he was easily

1452
01:00:34,910 --> 01:00:32,369
debunked but not only that but they said

1453
01:00:35,650 --> 01:00:34,920
we won't have him on until the second

1454
01:00:37,630 --> 01:00:35,660
half

1455
01:00:40,090 --> 01:00:37,640
so if you guys do forget the opportunity

1456
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:40,100
it was in November of 2007 it was like

1457
01:00:48,010 --> 01:00:45,730
John Callahan governor Symington Colonel

1458
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:48,020
halt

1459
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:53,930
it was Penniston and we had a satellite

1460
01:01:01,390 --> 01:00:56,960
feed in from Denmark with with with Nick

1461
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:01,400
Pope and I and myself for the first half

1462
01:01:08,050 --> 01:01:05,330
of the entire CNN live you know Larry

1463
01:01:09,340 --> 01:01:08,060
King tank show and it was amazing and I

1464
01:01:11,590 --> 01:01:09,350
remember we go into commercials like the

1465
01:01:13,390 --> 01:01:11,600
second time around you know and granted

1466
01:01:15,790 --> 01:01:13,400
you know we have certain obviously time

1467
01:01:17,860 --> 01:01:15,800
restrictions but but hey man it was live

1468
01:01:20,500 --> 01:01:17,870
we were going and no you know it was

1469
01:01:24,340 --> 01:01:20,510
meeting where to the second commercial

1470
01:01:27,010 --> 01:01:24,350
break and Larry looks over to the

1471
01:01:30,850 --> 01:01:27,020
governor and he looks over at Penniston

1472
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:30,860
he looks over at Colonel halt and he

1473
01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:35,330
says um wow this stuff is this stuff's

1474
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:38,000
real isn't it and they kind of nodded

1475
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:39,410
and said yeah yeah this is really

1476
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:40,010
happening

1477
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:42,890
and he got this look on his face and he

1478
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:47,090
had this look like holy moly you know it

1479
01:01:50,170 --> 01:01:48,770
was like this sort of revelation you

1480
01:01:51,970 --> 01:01:50,180
could see the gears turning on the

1481
01:01:54,010 --> 01:01:51,980
inside of his head like here's a guy

1482
01:01:56,020 --> 01:01:54,020
who's been in this industry the news

1483
01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:56,030
reporting industry all this time and he

1484
01:02:00,700 --> 01:01:57,770
was having this revelation like hey made

1485
01:02:03,220 --> 01:02:00,710
me maybe there's a lot more to this than

1486
01:02:06,130 --> 01:02:03,230
what we've all thought I'll never forget

1487
01:02:08,260 --> 01:02:06,140
that moment it was very exciting but you

1488
01:02:11,140 --> 01:02:08,270
know and then I talked to him later

1489
01:02:13,540 --> 01:02:11,150
about it Larry King and he said I'd like

1490
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:13,550
nothing more than to have the definitive

1491
01:02:17,530 --> 01:02:15,050
piece of evidence and if you ever find

1492
01:02:19,570 --> 01:02:17,540
it you come to me and no matter what I'm

1493
01:02:23,470 --> 01:02:19,580
doing I'll make sure it gets reported on

1494
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:23,480
so it's like on the one hand you have

1495
01:02:29,620 --> 01:02:27,290
the you know iconic figures in the media

1496
01:02:31,300 --> 01:02:29,630
saying hey I'd love nothing more than to

1497
01:02:34,450 --> 01:02:31,310
break this story I'd love it for it to

1498
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:34,460
be true then on the other hand they're

1499
01:02:37,690 --> 01:02:36,410
not out there going digging for it and

1500
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:37,700
they're not putting the resources the

1501
01:02:40,540 --> 01:02:38,210
manpower

1502
01:02:43,660 --> 01:02:40,550
I mean CNN during that period did quite

1503
01:02:45,310 --> 01:02:43,670
a bit don't you think we did CNN I think

1504
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:45,320
he did a lot I mean if you go with

1505
01:02:49,430 --> 01:02:47,570
somebody like a shepherd smith over at

1506
01:02:52,670 --> 01:02:49,440
Fox News or any of these

1507
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:52,680
TV anchors they're not really interested

1508
01:02:58,580 --> 01:02:56,130
in doing journalism they're just reading

1509
01:03:00,590 --> 01:02:58,590
a teleprompter or maybe interviewing

1510
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:00,600
guests or interviewing other reporters

1511
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:02,970
it's not like it was when Walter

1512
01:03:07,250 --> 01:03:05,370
Cronkite was doing it yep

1513
01:03:09,380 --> 01:03:07,260
I almost got the Walter Cronkite by the

1514
01:03:12,260 --> 01:03:09,390
way you guys he got a little ill I was

1515
01:03:16,430 --> 01:03:12,270
trying to get to him in 2001 at 2007 or

1516
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:16,440
2008 and I had a preliminary interview

1517
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:19,410
secured with him and then he got sick

1518
01:03:23,660 --> 01:03:21,330
and I never got it back again but I'd

1519
01:03:26,660 --> 01:03:23,670
really like to know what his takes are

1520
01:03:28,700 --> 01:03:26,670
what speculation that would be don't

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forget neighbors you can also find us on

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Twitter that's where we are we are the

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one of the three members of the team

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chasing UFOs for a National Geographic

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Channel the premiere episode began

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Friday June 29th two episodes at 9:00

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and 10:00 p.m. the first episode covered

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Stephenville Texas and as we've already

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hinted we did a little bit of a spoiler

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there they see something they couldn't

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identify or expect maybe each he was

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01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:50,700
watching them I thought you guys are

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gonna introduce me as like my real to

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Action Hero GI James that that's G James

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I liked it that's good okay the audition

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01:09:06,740 --> 01:09:02,460
for Robin and the Dark Knight Rises but

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Robin is not in that film GI James

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don't tell the production they'll use

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the next promo somebody wrong nobody

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01:09:23,980 --> 01:09:22,380
wrong GI James well I've got a couple of

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01:09:27,140 --> 01:09:23,990
observations about the production

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01:09:29,420 --> 01:09:27,150
techniques and some of the choices that

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have been made what we should basically

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01:09:35,180 --> 01:09:32,490
first point out that Chris O'Brien here

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01:09:37,310 --> 01:09:35,190
has done documentary films yeah number

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01:09:40,010 --> 01:09:37,320
of the in fact we won the EB Awards at

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01:09:42,100 --> 01:09:40,020
the UFO Congress this year with you

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01:09:49,100 --> 01:09:42,110
could happen tomorrow the doc that I cut

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01:09:51,380 --> 01:09:49,110
and I hit 50 shows thank me but Bri did

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01:09:53,090 --> 01:09:51,390
not follow up so I didn't I didn't go

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01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:53,100
chasing after them I used up my Warhol

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01:10:00,250 --> 01:09:55,970
in 15 minutes of fame 20 years ago so I

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01:10:04,910 --> 01:10:00,260
tried I tried desperately to get

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01:10:07,250 --> 01:10:04,920
ping-pong NatGeo to go to the conference

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01:10:09,440 --> 01:10:07,260
I said my god we have a wealth of stuff

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01:10:11,150 --> 01:10:09,450
all happening in one spot the

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01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:11,160
this organization that's paid to fly all

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01:10:15,290 --> 01:10:12,960
these people in from all Chris would

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01:10:18,410 --> 01:10:15,300
have bought your lunch yeah credible

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01:10:20,930 --> 01:10:18,420
stories exactly you know and they tried

1676
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:20,940
and some things overlap and it's just

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01:10:24,980 --> 01:10:22,650
silly but you know what I'm really

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01:10:27,050 --> 01:10:24,990
hoping is it and in the future I'll have

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01:10:29,210 --> 01:10:27,060
a bit more power you know I got my foot

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01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:29,220
in the door they are listening and my my

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01:10:34,970 --> 01:10:31,440
previous work sighs I sent a four disc

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01:10:37,100 --> 01:10:34,980
DVD set I sent 50 years denial out of

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01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:37,110
the blue the revised version out of the

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01:10:44,180 --> 01:10:40,890
blue 2006 release and I know what I saw

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01:10:46,910 --> 01:10:44,190
as well as the raw material from the

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01:10:48,830 --> 01:10:46,920
2007 November National Press Club event

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01:10:50,630 --> 01:10:48,840
that Leslie Kane and I did right and

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01:10:52,700 --> 01:10:50,640
those have been circulating headquarters

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01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:52,710
and they you know the feedback I'm

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01:10:56,330 --> 01:10:54,690
getting the president National

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01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:56,340
Geographic all been watching this stuff

1692
01:11:00,530 --> 01:10:58,560
and been very very impressed you know I

1693
01:11:03,260 --> 01:11:00,540
don't think they realize how much two

1694
01:11:06,110 --> 01:11:03,270
UFOs there was so in some ways I'm

1695
01:11:08,210 --> 01:11:06,120
slowly influencing the powers at me

1696
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:08,220
in my little way you don't I mean yeah

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01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:09,330
well that's good we need somebody like

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01:11:14,090 --> 01:11:11,610
you on the inside uh you know join some

1699
01:11:16,730 --> 01:11:14,100
chains I'm taking a few here some that

1700
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:16,740
the UFO community as a result of it but

1701
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:18,810
I'm I'm prepared to take a bit of a risk

1702
01:11:22,820 --> 01:11:21,210
to get into the arena and see what kind

1703
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:22,830
of things I can shake them yeah yeah we

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01:11:26,030 --> 01:11:24,570
need all the inside guys that we can we

1705
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:26,040
can get I think it's really good that

1706
01:11:29,870 --> 01:11:28,170
you're doing it and I'm I'm really

1707
01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:29,880
impressed with the production quality

1708
01:11:36,620 --> 01:11:33,450
but I do have some questions about some

1709
01:11:38,540 --> 01:11:36,630
of the decisions that were made to do

1710
01:11:41,210 --> 01:11:38,550
specific things like go out and check

1711
01:11:43,900 --> 01:11:41,220
for physical evidence metal and the dead

1712
01:11:47,090 --> 01:11:43,910
of night in you know ankle deep water

1713
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:47,100
would be one and also who's idea is are

1714
01:11:57,350 --> 01:11:50,610
those face cameras that that that can't

1715
01:11:59,510 --> 01:11:57,360
be it's just it they're so hokey and you

1716
01:12:01,160 --> 01:11:59,520
know maybe in a ghost show or I think

1717
01:12:02,930 --> 01:12:01,170
one of you even joked in the first

1718
01:12:03,910 --> 01:12:02,940
episode that it reminds you a Blair

1719
01:12:07,070 --> 01:12:03,920
Witch Project

1720
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:07,080
it does but but that's not necessarily a

1721
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:12,810
good thing the success of Blair Witch

1722
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:14,730
and the so called found footage and

1723
01:12:20,030 --> 01:12:16,890
therefore everybody now has to emulate

1724
01:12:21,260 --> 01:12:20,040
that yeah you know apparently um I don't

1725
01:12:23,750 --> 01:12:21,270
watch TV I don't know if you guys knew

1726
01:12:26,450 --> 01:12:23,760
that I don't even have a television

1727
01:12:30,020 --> 01:12:26,460
but from what I understand there were a

1728
01:12:33,589 --> 01:12:30,030
few shows that introduced that style of

1729
01:12:36,859 --> 01:12:33,599
filming at night and it was just a major

1730
01:12:39,049 --> 01:12:36,869
overnight hit and and other shows have

1731
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:39,059
tried to emulate that and for some

1732
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:41,730
reason viewers love to watch people at

1733
01:12:46,790 --> 01:12:44,250
night creeping around looking for stuff

1734
01:12:48,709 --> 01:12:46,800
looking for metal physical evidence at

1735
01:12:51,500 --> 01:12:48,719
night and something about every times

1736
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:51,510
like when we were at Roswell we were

1737
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:53,610
looking for metal all day I mean I was

1738
01:12:57,919 --> 01:12:55,170
out there I couldn't have been happier I

1739
01:13:04,069 --> 01:12:57,929
was like a you know yeah a pagan doodoo

1740
01:13:07,790 --> 01:13:04,079
and Family Radio reaching the edge of

1741
01:13:09,319 --> 01:13:07,800
reality did you ever get any shots of

1742
01:13:10,759 --> 01:13:09,329
the big pig that was stalking you it

1743
01:13:15,049 --> 01:13:10,769
seemed like you hadn't like a secret

1744
01:13:18,229 --> 01:13:15,059
admirer and the bushes everybody was not

1745
01:13:20,839 --> 01:13:18,239
appropriate so but um but I was I was I

1746
01:13:22,819 --> 01:13:20,849
was really happy and we stayed out of it

1747
01:13:25,100 --> 01:13:22,829
and I said hey ma'am can we

1748
01:13:26,689 --> 01:13:25,110
Kamiya can we stay out here a few more

1749
01:13:28,430 --> 01:13:26,699
hours after sundown and we did and it

1750
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:28,440
kind of made sense because we were out

1751
01:13:32,689 --> 01:13:30,210
there for five hours in daylight and I

1752
01:13:36,229 --> 01:13:32,699
was you know hell-bent on on finding

1753
01:13:37,580 --> 01:13:36,239
something we had a geologist you know

1754
01:13:39,020 --> 01:13:37,590
Frank Kimber out there with us we had

1755
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:39,030
obviously you know Ben McGee the

1756
01:13:42,169 --> 01:13:39,690
geologist

1757
01:13:44,540 --> 01:13:42,179
we're looking around ant hills and

1758
01:13:47,149 --> 01:13:44,550
animal burrows and areas of runoff and

1759
01:13:49,310 --> 01:13:47,159
it's very exciting and we ended up going

1760
01:13:51,500 --> 01:13:49,320
in moving into darkness and and working

1761
01:13:54,109 --> 01:13:51,510
operating under the cover of darkness

1762
01:13:55,910 --> 01:13:54,119
but you know there are other instances

1763
01:13:57,319 --> 01:13:55,920
where we're out there like for instance

1764
01:13:58,910 --> 01:13:57,329
by the grist mill where it just didn't

1765
01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:58,920
make any sense it was like really why we

1766
01:14:02,270 --> 01:14:00,480
out here at night right now you can see

1767
01:14:03,799 --> 01:14:02,280
so much better so there were times when

1768
01:14:05,660 --> 01:14:03,809
it was like all right I could see how

1769
01:14:07,490 --> 01:14:05,670
this makes sense and times words it

1770
01:14:09,529 --> 01:14:07,500
didn't make sense but but fortunately

1771
01:14:11,839 --> 01:14:09,539
you can say by by getting that great

1772
01:14:13,700 --> 01:14:11,849
footage yeah you know exactly we got

1773
01:14:15,169 --> 01:14:13,710
some good yeah there was times we're not

1774
01:14:17,740 --> 01:14:15,179
hey you want to be out under the night

1775
01:14:19,810 --> 01:14:17,750
sky trying to get a glimpse of a very

1776
01:14:23,029 --> 01:14:19,820
potential areas for hot spot areas

1777
01:14:24,290 --> 01:14:23,039
obviously but there are times when we're

1778
01:14:25,759 --> 01:14:24,300
doing stuff going why are we doing this

1779
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:25,769
at night you know I mean it's ridiculous

1780
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:27,210
we should be out here in the daytime so

1781
01:14:31,490 --> 01:14:28,650
that's a little frustrating and I think

1782
01:14:33,620 --> 01:14:31,500
things will change for future episodes

1783
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:33,630
because you know people like Ben and

1784
01:14:36,330 --> 01:14:35,130
myself are really gonna put our foot

1785
01:14:38,460 --> 01:14:36,340
down a little bit so

1786
01:14:40,890 --> 01:14:38,470
taemin taemin say alright you know we

1787
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:40,900
understand want to create sense of

1788
01:14:43,590 --> 01:14:42,130
adventure and be either under the cover

1789
01:14:44,970 --> 01:14:43,600
of darkness certain times but other

1790
01:14:45,420 --> 01:14:44,980
times it just simply doesn't make any

1791
01:14:49,590 --> 01:14:45,430
sense

1792
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:49,600
yeah and I agree also I found it pretty

1793
01:14:55,190 --> 01:14:52,330
interesting that that you should have

1794
01:14:57,990 --> 01:14:55,200
the kind of gear that you have out there

1795
01:14:59,850 --> 01:14:58,000
that's one thing that I was impressed

1796
01:15:01,890 --> 01:14:59,860
with is the the kind of technology that

1797
01:15:03,810 --> 01:15:01,900
you're bringing to bear I mean it I

1798
01:15:06,090 --> 01:15:03,820
would be like a kid in a candy store but

1799
01:15:08,700 --> 01:15:06,100
the kind of gear I'm sure that National

1800
01:15:09,690 --> 01:15:08,710
Geographic has access to what other time

1801
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:09,700
I need a wedgie

1802
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:12,010
are you gonna bring it out here's the

1803
01:15:17,190 --> 01:15:14,890
really cool thing is that if we can't

1804
01:15:18,900 --> 01:15:17,200
afford it and you know we can get a lot

1805
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:18,910
of cool gear but if we can't afford it a

1806
01:15:24,780 --> 01:15:20,890
lot of the companies that produced that

1807
01:15:29,850 --> 01:15:24,790
gear provided we plug them we'll let us

1808
01:15:32,100 --> 01:15:29,860
take it into the field Wow yes you see

1809
01:15:34,530 --> 01:15:32,110
what I'm saying so the cool thing is

1810
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:34,540
like if hey if this show does well and I

1811
01:15:40,470 --> 01:15:36,970
and I have more say so which I I I

1812
01:15:41,700 --> 01:15:40,480
certainly plan on on arranging I'll be

1813
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:41,710
able to come to specialists like you

1814
01:15:44,850 --> 01:15:43,210
guys say hey you know what let's go

1815
01:15:46,650 --> 01:15:44,860
revisit a crash site and let's take all

1816
01:15:48,180 --> 01:15:46,660
the tools we need necessary to get our

1817
01:15:51,300 --> 01:15:48,190
butts out there do you know I mean and

1818
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:51,310
really see what we can uncover top your

1819
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:55,210
list wouldn't that be cool yeah well I

1820
01:15:59,460 --> 01:15:56,890
know I Chris likes to travel I'm a

1821
01:16:01,560 --> 01:15:59,470
hermit I've told people that I don't go

1822
01:16:04,530 --> 01:16:01,570
out I just simply stay in my studio when

1823
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:04,540
I write and I edit and I produce and if

1824
01:16:10,980 --> 01:16:06,370
I go out you know people just scream oh

1825
01:16:13,170 --> 01:16:10,990
him forget it chris is a great press is

1826
01:16:15,450 --> 01:16:13,180
here and he does his rare appearance in

1827
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:15,460
the studio as opposed to remotely he

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01:16:18,810 --> 01:16:18,250
wears shades well I was like a kid in a

1829
01:16:20,550 --> 01:16:18,820
candy store

1830
01:16:22,980 --> 01:16:20,560
well I'll tell you man being at the

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01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:22,990
Roswell crash site for me was something

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01:16:27,060 --> 01:16:25,090
I've been waiting for for 20 years I'll

1833
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:27,070
tell you what we can't wait for 20 years

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01:16:36,340 --> 01:16:29,650
for this we have James Fox gene and

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[Music]

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silly rose-colored you do listen to in

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the para cast because you will learn a

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great deal will come paranormal we're

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having a great time with James Fox he's

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one of the three members of the team of

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chasing UFOs and chris has been going

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01:21:21,710 --> 01:21:19,230
over some of the technical aspects of

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01:21:23,480 --> 01:21:21,720
the production of episode number one

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01:21:27,470 --> 01:21:23,490
which covered Stephenville Texas where

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01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:27,480
James and Ben and Erin were lucky to see

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01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:29,370
something Chris what was the final

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01:21:35,180 --> 01:21:32,010
upshot of the analysis of that footage

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it looked perfectly circular when it

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sequenced the light sequenced what did

1957
01:21:42,350 --> 01:21:40,200
Ben think what did the other people in

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01:21:44,990 --> 01:21:42,360
post think about that I mean I don't

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01:21:47,660 --> 01:21:45,000
think here's one of the things that we

1960
01:21:49,670 --> 01:21:47,670
want to that we want to change for if

1961
01:21:52,370 --> 01:21:49,680
this goes to a next season and I think

1962
01:21:55,310 --> 01:21:52,380
it got more in depth as the show

1963
01:21:56,990 --> 01:21:55,320
progressed but the way it was structured

1964
01:21:59,540 --> 01:21:57,000
it didn't leave us a whole lot of time

1965
01:22:00,860 --> 01:21:59,550
for the analysis and and and myself and

1966
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:00,870
that Jo and other people in the

1967
01:22:05,030 --> 01:22:02,610
production were like hey look we really

1968
01:22:06,410 --> 01:22:05,040
need to spend more time on the analysis

1969
01:22:10,070 --> 01:22:06,420
otherwise you're leaving the viewers

1970
01:22:11,900 --> 01:22:10,080
hanging exactly really really really hit

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01:22:14,210 --> 01:22:11,910
home with that unfortunately that wasn't

1972
01:22:15,730 --> 01:22:14,220
the case it seems really light on the

1973
01:22:18,830 --> 01:22:15,740
back side for the first couple episodes

1974
01:22:20,900 --> 01:22:18,840
however there were changes I know that

1975
01:22:23,450 --> 01:22:20,910
we all flew down for Brazil and Mexico

1976
01:22:25,730 --> 01:22:23,460
and others to give a little more meat at

1977
01:22:27,440 --> 01:22:25,740
the back end and and continue to do so

1978
01:22:28,130 --> 01:22:27,450
in idea even Nat Geo I had mentioned

1979
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:28,140
something about that

1980
01:22:32,750 --> 01:22:31,050
but the analysis works yeah I've been

1981
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:32,760
kind of out of the loop the analysis

1982
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:34,770
work primarily is left for laboratories

1983
01:22:39,830 --> 01:22:36,930
and they really do send stuff out by the

1984
01:22:42,230 --> 01:22:39,840
way to labs for now I've got a lot of

1985
01:22:45,620 --> 01:22:42,240
the documents but that stuff's been been

1986
01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:45,630
sort of been and writers end of things

1987
01:22:51,470 --> 01:22:49,440
so you know I think that that more of an

1988
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:51,480
effort needs to be made at the end of

1989
01:22:57,020 --> 01:22:54,210
the show stick to properly evaluate that

1990
01:22:59,510 --> 01:22:57,030
that stuff but in terms of what the end

1991
01:23:01,730 --> 01:22:59,520
result was with that was it was we don't

1992
01:23:04,919 --> 01:23:01,740
know what it was well it was impressive

1993
01:23:06,899 --> 01:23:04,929
I must say yeah

1994
01:23:07,979 --> 01:23:06,909
one in a million chance a night I

1995
01:23:10,830 --> 01:23:07,989
couldn't wait to get it on a bigger

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01:23:13,310 --> 01:23:10,840
screen do you shoot an HD oh yeah

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01:23:17,370 --> 01:23:13,320
okay because they didn't send us HD on

1998
01:23:18,989 --> 01:23:17,380
the presses DVDs it's just standard

1999
01:23:21,060 --> 01:23:18,999
definition I don't know maybe they

2000
01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:21,070
figure blu-ray cost too much no they

2001
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:25,209
wanted to get to write good standard

2002
01:23:29,189 --> 01:23:27,489
DVDs that are just that aren't they yeah

2003
01:23:32,100 --> 01:23:29,199
you couldn't fit two episodes on one

2004
01:23:34,020 --> 01:23:32,110
desk for blu-ray you go blu-ray it's

2005
01:23:36,839 --> 01:23:34,030
only 46 minutes an episode on blu-ray

2006
01:23:39,419 --> 01:23:36,849
you could and that also I guess is one

2007
01:23:43,589 --> 01:23:39,429
key question here the constraints to get

2008
01:23:47,009 --> 01:23:43,599
all this to fit into what 44 to 46

2009
01:23:50,279 --> 01:23:47,019
minutes after the commercial you know we

2010
01:23:51,750 --> 01:23:50,289
had an amazing I mean it was God it was

2011
01:23:53,729 --> 01:23:51,760
so good we had a couple of interviews

2012
01:23:55,799 --> 01:23:53,739
that were just so good one of them was

2013
01:23:57,959 --> 01:23:55,809
this very spirited debate between John

2014
01:23:59,699 --> 01:23:57,969
Alexander and myself and I have you know

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tremendous respect for someone of his

2016
01:24:03,719 --> 01:24:01,659
caliber to come forward and write take

2017
01:24:06,149 --> 01:24:03,729
such a strong position with UFOs however

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01:24:09,149 --> 01:24:06,159
I strongly disagreed with him about the

2019
01:24:12,029 --> 01:24:09,159
cover-up aspect right doesn't buy that

2020
01:24:14,029 --> 01:24:12,039
we had a debate with him and Stanton

2021
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:14,039
Friedman a couple of years back I

2022
01:24:21,540 --> 01:24:17,050
suggested I bet you Stanton freedom ate

2023
01:24:23,009 --> 01:24:21,550
him up for lunch my own pretty well but

2024
01:24:25,589 --> 01:24:23,019
one thing that I asked him which he

2025
01:24:28,140 --> 01:24:25,599
didn't John Alexander held his own

2026
01:24:29,850 --> 01:24:28,150
against against Friedman yeah yeah he

2027
01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:29,860
did I mean they both you know had an

2028
01:24:33,839 --> 01:24:32,320
intangible you know unmovable position

2029
01:24:36,779 --> 01:24:33,849
so it was more of a Mexican standoff but

2030
01:24:39,509 --> 01:24:36,789
one thing he could not answer was why in

2031
01:24:41,540 --> 01:24:39,519
his book UFOs he did not mention the

2032
01:24:46,830 --> 01:24:41,550
National Security Administration once

2033
01:24:48,899 --> 01:24:46,840
the NSA is really the sleeping dog and

2034
01:24:51,839 --> 01:24:48,909
all this I mean they have data that

2035
01:24:53,669 --> 01:24:51,849
would just just blow our minds I'm sure

2036
01:24:55,379 --> 01:24:53,679
of it oh I mean come on you know many

2037
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:55,389
times I've talked to military witnesses

2038
01:24:58,890 --> 01:24:57,010
said they handed off the evidence it was

2039
01:25:01,319 --> 01:24:58,900
never seen them and I said that to John

2040
01:25:02,609 --> 01:25:01,329
I'm like John he's like well that's just

2041
01:25:04,379 --> 01:25:02,619
you know it slipped between the cracks

2042
01:25:06,540 --> 01:25:04,389
I'm like no evidence of a flying saucer

2043
01:25:08,250 --> 01:25:06,550
doesn't just slip between the cracks do

2044
01:25:10,799 --> 01:25:08,260
you I mean yeah I don't buy that you

2045
01:25:11,370 --> 01:25:10,809
don't oh it just got lost in a file

2046
01:25:13,649 --> 01:25:11,380
somewhere

2047
01:25:15,540 --> 01:25:13,659
yeah right landed flying saucer at

2048
01:25:18,630 --> 01:25:15,550
Edwards Air Force Base just got lost in

2049
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:18,640
a file yeah not buying that well in

2050
01:25:22,980 --> 01:25:20,650
in fact he never mentions the NSA once

2051
01:25:25,410 --> 01:25:22,990
in the entire book that to me is quite

2052
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:25,420
disingenuous yeah it's interesting What

2053
01:25:29,430 --> 01:25:27,370
did he say about that he didn't he

2054
01:25:31,710 --> 01:25:29,440
dodged the question he did not he did

2055
01:25:33,900 --> 01:25:31,720
not address that well Stan must have

2056
01:25:35,340 --> 01:25:33,910
pinned him against the wall no he didn't

2057
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:35,350
he had a chance to but he didn't

2058
01:25:40,140 --> 01:25:38,890
Sam was busy banging his own drum Stan

2059
01:25:44,370 --> 01:25:40,150
was being a gentleman

2060
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:44,380
yes and in of course in his the Friedman

2061
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:48,370
style I you know I often said you know

2062
01:25:54,300 --> 01:25:52,690
there's so much internal bickering we're

2063
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:54,310
like a bunch of old ladies going on in

2064
01:25:58,890 --> 01:25:55,810
the UFO community that were sort of our

2065
01:26:01,290 --> 01:25:58,900
own worst enemy yeah they don't and you

2066
01:26:04,110 --> 01:26:01,300
know on the one hand I can see you know

2067
01:26:07,230 --> 01:26:04,120
why these things happen and you know I'm

2068
01:26:09,450 --> 01:26:07,240
all for you know embracing diversity and

2069
01:26:10,830 --> 01:26:09,460
thoughts and Ben and yeah we're all part

2070
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:10,840
of a big team we should all be working

2071
01:26:22,980 --> 01:26:20,250
yeah he said that he just died you guys

2072
01:26:24,990 --> 01:26:22,990
I know he just found it in the bottom it

2073
01:26:27,780 --> 01:26:25,000
was so funny are they like the report I

2074
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:27,790
heard was so brief it was like Rodney

2075
01:26:32,100 --> 01:26:29,290
King found dead at the bottom of the

2076
01:26:33,390 --> 01:26:32,110
pool no foul play his paid or you know

2077
01:26:35,310 --> 01:26:33,400
thought of as I thought well wait a

2078
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:35,320
minute he's dead at the bottom of his

2079
01:26:38,790 --> 01:26:36,850
pool there's no foul play not to say

2080
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:38,800
there's some big conspiracy here but the

2081
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:40,570
antenna mines me Brian Jones when he

2082
01:26:54,060 --> 01:26:47,170
died in 68 I know yeah Wow getting back

2083
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:54,070
to the second show what did you come

2084
01:26:58,020 --> 01:26:56,170
away with in Stevensville and how come I

2085
01:27:01,530 --> 01:26:58,030
never heard anything about the alleged

2086
01:27:03,480 --> 01:27:01,540
flyover of the Crawford ranch and some

2087
01:27:05,940 --> 01:27:03,490
of the military activity there was a

2088
01:27:08,130 --> 01:27:05,950
major time lag between the military

2089
01:27:10,260 --> 01:27:08,140
acknowledging that they had flights up

2090
01:27:12,870 --> 01:27:10,270
in the area I mean it was a number of

2091
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:12,880
days before they had interviews lined up

2092
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:15,370
with Robert Powell extensive you know

2093
01:27:21,180 --> 01:27:17,530
discussions with him he was all set to

2094
01:27:24,060 --> 01:27:21,190
do it and for whatever reason the powers

2095
01:27:26,250 --> 01:27:24,070
that be decided not to discover that and

2096
01:27:28,470 --> 01:27:26,260
I think they felt like it had been kind

2097
01:27:30,210 --> 01:27:28,480
of done been there done that they wanted

2098
01:27:32,459 --> 01:27:30,220
to do a fresh new kind of angle on it

2099
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:32,469
you know there was the Ricky

2100
01:27:35,430 --> 01:27:34,090
Souls had come to me and he said that

2101
01:27:37,229 --> 01:27:35,440
after his sighting he started to

2102
01:27:39,149 --> 01:27:37,239
investigate you could have used that to

2103
01:27:40,770 --> 01:27:39,159
your advantage and said the the airforce

2104
01:27:43,140 --> 01:27:40,780
declined to comment when we approached

2105
01:27:44,729 --> 01:27:43,150
them or they decline art with us or

2106
01:27:46,950 --> 01:27:44,739
something you have you know put a little

2107
01:27:48,989 --> 01:27:46,960
bit on them you are speaking to the

2108
01:27:51,089 --> 01:27:48,999
choir believe me I was like wait a

2109
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:51,099
minute this is really significant now

2110
01:27:54,209 --> 01:27:52,690
there's so much stuff like that that

2111
01:27:56,069 --> 01:27:54,219
just you know ends up either on the Edit

2112
01:27:58,469 --> 01:27:56,079
room floor or ends up not happening like

2113
01:27:59,790 --> 01:27:58,479
I'll give you another example I was

2114
01:28:02,250 --> 01:27:59,800
pushing the whole time to have this

2115
01:28:04,229 --> 01:28:02,260
analysis work done with Frank Kindler we

2116
01:28:06,149 --> 01:28:04,239
had found a laboratory in Los Angeles it

2117
01:28:09,180 --> 01:28:06,159
was going to do the type of net analysis

2118
01:28:11,430 --> 01:28:09,190
necessary it's extremely expensive for

2119
01:28:14,609 --> 01:28:11,440
free provided they get plugged on that

2120
01:28:16,350 --> 01:28:14,619
Geo then Frank Kimmel er didn't want to

2121
01:28:18,419 --> 01:28:16,360
hand his stuff over I don't blame him he

2122
01:28:21,239 --> 01:28:18,429
didn't want to hand his stuff over to

2123
01:28:23,790 --> 01:28:21,249
some lab via FedEx only to be sitting

2124
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:23,800
with you know some intern for god knows

2125
01:28:27,810 --> 01:28:26,050
how many endless weeks they said it was

2126
01:28:29,939 --> 01:28:27,820
gonna take he was right he's never gonna

2127
01:28:32,069 --> 01:28:29,949
see these things again he's like look

2128
01:28:33,149 --> 01:28:32,079
I'll bring them to the lab personally

2129
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:33,159
and hand them over I want to meet the

2130
01:28:37,979 --> 01:28:35,489
guy you'd think hey all this effort

2131
01:28:39,259 --> 01:28:37,989
let's fly this guy out put him up for a

2132
01:28:42,870 --> 01:28:39,269
couple of nights and make this happen

2133
01:28:45,839 --> 01:28:42,880
didn't happen to me that was a class a

2134
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:45,849
screw-up but I didn't have enough

2135
01:28:49,290 --> 01:28:47,530
control you know I did nothing I could

2136
01:28:50,879 --> 01:28:49,300
really do about that but there are

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things like that that happened like you

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know things get left on the back burner

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I don't know the constraints of where

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things have to be in the cutting room

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floor that may be really great for an

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episode maybe you should do like a super

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episode sometime with a contingent

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that's another interesting point here

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obviously each story has to be dealt

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with in the confines of a single episode

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you've never considered or would you

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consider for season 2 if things go well

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having one subject basically continue to

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a second episode I think it's a great

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idea a follow up on a certain thing I

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think it's a brilliant idea you know the

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case would have to be compelling angles

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to do that yeah well you know sometimes

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you have well I'll tell you you know

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when I was in gosh guys I don't know if

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I'm sure you probably know probably more

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about this than I do but when I was at

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the grist mill interviewing with Rickey

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Searles he's the deer hunter that was

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underneath that craft that was so big he

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couldn't see engineering direction

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we looked at that and he was just

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studying the metalworker as well and he

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was studying them the fabric the medal

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of this craft he was describing there

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was no rivets and those seams no welds

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there were these recessed like

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inverted cones in the belly of the craft

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and he was like you could land an

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airplane other thing it was so huge and

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right after the interview who was

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outside it was in the daylight it was

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kind of sprinkling that day a gentleman

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walked up to me and we had the whole you

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know that geo crew their big little you

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travel in a big group and this gentleman

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walks up to me and he says he pulls out

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his badge and he says sir can I talk to

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you for a minute I'm officer blank I'll

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told the crew we have to break we have

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[Music]

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we have James Fox one of the members of

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the chasing UFOs team with Jean and

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Chris on the power cast and you started

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talking about this person you met

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outside after doing this interview who

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had some more stuff to present to you

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well yeah he approached me and he pulled

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out his badge and he said my name is

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officer blank he showed me his badge and

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he was an officer he said I'd like to

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talk to you

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great I told one of the member actually

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I think I got a little trouble because I

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disappeared for a bit but I I did tell

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one of the staff that I was gonna head

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out for a moment and we nipped around

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the corners of this little cafe and he

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kind of looked over both shoulders and

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looked around he was very paranoid and

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he said I need to tell you something he

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said that crap that Ricky Sorrell saw he

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01:35:59,430 --> 01:35:56,290
said I saw that thing to man in fact all

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01:36:01,710 --> 01:35:59,440
five officers on duty in the region saw

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01:36:03,270 --> 01:36:01,720
that craft he said it was about the size

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of two department stores

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01:36:07,980 --> 01:36:05,110
one or two I think he said it was two

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but then it was moving so slowly and it

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was so close that he pointed his radar

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gun at it and got it got a hit on it

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that it was traveling at 22 miles an

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01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:17,410
hour and there was another officer that

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night that he I'll tell you one more

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little tidbit share with me he said he

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said they were looking at it another

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officer was looking at it from a vantage

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point for my hills would have down on it

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you see the top of the craft it was

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really low and he said there's a truck

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driver a guy driving a pickup truck that

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drove underneath it he said that guy got

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one heck of a sight this police officers

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videotaped one of one of the craft from

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one of the cars the cams in the car and

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that video footage was taken back to the

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local police station and they don't

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looked at apparently was pretty good

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well a local military base took that

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video footage and he said I can't do any

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of this on the record I just wanted you

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to know that's what happened oh boy I'd

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love to see the cutting room floor this

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was not on camera this was just he

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pulled me aside but the fact that this

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police officer pulled me aside showed me

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his badge talked to me about the whole

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01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:13,810
incident he just wanted me to know the

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truth and I was just you know it's

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really

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that's pretty shocking as a feature on

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our show we open up a threat at forum

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dr. Peric ascom - are many forum posters

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so that they can ask questions of our

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guests when they're on the air and I

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have a question here from Poulter worst

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01:37:35,410 --> 01:37:34,160
who's been a member of the pair cast for

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01:37:37,330 --> 01:37:35,420
about a year and a half and he says

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James have you ever looked at a possible

2354
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paranormal connection in UFO sightings

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01:37:43,900 --> 01:37:41,540
judging from the number of paranormal

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witness type TV shows there should be at

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least as many good UFO witnesses as

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there are ghosts and haunting witnesses

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01:37:51,100 --> 01:37:49,880
so why not make another film like I know

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what I saw are featuring the most

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01:37:55,210 --> 01:37:53,480
credible paranormal witnesses maybe look

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for commonalities or differences between

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the two fields UFOs and the paranormal

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also he mentions doing something on

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reincarnation or near-death experiences

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lots of solid research incredible people

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01:38:09,430 --> 01:38:08,240
talking about it like you wouldn't

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believe if you think there's just a

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religious or esoteric issue to this what

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about that do you think there is a

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01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:15,290
connection between is there some

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paranormal aspect to UFOs and your

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estimation you know it's a great

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question let me start off with the

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second bit first because it's kind of

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fresh in my mind

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01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:27,920
I just lost my father about a month and

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a half ago I actually wants to make as

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he made the transition I was in the room

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and I and I watched my mother past as

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well fortunately for me I was in the

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room for both of their transitions and

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with my mother about a minute or so

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01:38:46,330 --> 01:38:44,960
after she stopped reading this you know

2385
01:38:50,170 --> 01:38:46,340
I don't have described it whether it's a

2386
01:38:53,470 --> 01:38:50,180
something you see or feel or both but it

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01:38:55,030 --> 01:38:53,480
was like this this string of silk sort

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of exited the back of her neck as she

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was lying down on the bed but a minute

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or so after she stopped breathing they

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exited very smooth very fluidly and they

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was I was chaining up just to the left

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01:39:08,140 --> 01:39:06,230
of her and it went around my neck like a

2394
01:39:10,510 --> 01:39:08,150
silk scarf and then shot out the window

2395
01:39:13,690 --> 01:39:10,520
very smooth very fluid when I watched my

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father pass his wasn't so smooth it

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01:39:17,980 --> 01:39:16,130
wasn't fluid it it's he stopped

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breathing he was a quadriplegic with

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multiple sclerosis he'd been suffering

2400
01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:22,430
for a while but very much enjoyed life

2401
01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:24,770
and did amazing things while he was here

2402
01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:27,410
but his sort of you know that Jack in

2403
01:39:31,169 --> 01:39:29,330
the Box didn't do diddily into doing

2404
01:39:33,219 --> 01:39:31,179
today then a boy at pops

2405
01:39:35,679 --> 01:39:33,229
that's what it was like with my father

2406
01:39:37,449 --> 01:39:35,689
spirit sprung out of him and it bounced

2407
01:39:39,459 --> 01:39:37,459
up to the ceiling and look at us so I

2408
01:39:40,959 --> 01:39:39,469
know anyone out there could say I'm

2409
01:39:42,219 --> 01:39:40,969
crazy for saying this but I don't really

2410
01:39:46,060 --> 01:39:42,229
care whether anyone believes or not

2411
01:39:47,619 --> 01:39:46,070
that's what I felt at the time it was as

2412
01:39:50,979 --> 01:39:47,629
real as me talking to you guys right now

2413
01:39:52,959 --> 01:39:50,989
and a very good friend of mine Tim

2414
01:39:55,929 --> 01:39:52,969
Coleman who co-produced out of the blue

2415
01:39:58,599 --> 01:39:55,939
just recently did this film on life

2416
01:40:02,259 --> 01:39:58,609
after death called the skull experiments

2417
01:40:04,839 --> 01:40:02,269
and in which it's phenomenal you spent

2418
01:40:07,750 --> 01:40:04,849
like five years documenting these

2419
01:40:10,179 --> 01:40:07,760
alleged conduits I'm not sure what you'd

2420
01:40:12,790 --> 01:40:10,189
refer to them as mediums that get in

2421
01:40:15,069 --> 01:40:12,800
touch with the spirit world and and it's

2422
01:40:18,040 --> 01:40:15,079
got a very bright guy former BBC

2423
01:40:20,229 --> 01:40:18,050
correspondent very well-read articulate

2424
01:40:21,639 --> 01:40:20,239
you know if there was nothing to this I

2425
01:40:23,979 --> 01:40:21,649
promise you he wouldn't spend five years

2426
01:40:25,569 --> 01:40:23,989
on it and the result of his of his

2427
01:40:28,119 --> 01:40:25,579
investigation in his failed were truly

2428
01:40:30,459 --> 01:40:28,129
phenomenal so I'm all open for something

2429
01:40:32,229 --> 01:40:30,469
like that but the problem I have with

2430
01:40:35,259 --> 01:40:32,239
that is there's only so much time in

2431
01:40:37,479 --> 01:40:35,269
one's life put aside for these projects

2432
01:40:39,129 --> 01:40:37,489
like when I finished I know what I saw I

2433
01:40:40,810 --> 01:40:39,139
didn't think I had it in me to do

2434
01:40:46,389 --> 01:40:40,820
another UFO film but I really feel like

2435
01:40:49,119 --> 01:40:46,399
I fell short on on this this subject I

2436
01:40:50,709 --> 01:40:49,129
wanted to put a film into theaters the

2437
01:40:55,049 --> 01:40:50,719
tentative evidence from around the world

2438
01:40:57,099 --> 01:40:55,059
and I didn't do that I got close but the

2439
01:40:59,560 --> 01:40:57,109
investors I had on board weren't willing

2440
01:41:02,109 --> 01:40:59,570
to take the chance necessary to enter

2441
01:41:05,109 --> 01:41:02,119
the film into film festivals and

2442
01:41:06,310 --> 01:41:05,119
ultimately get it into tears they had

2443
01:41:07,899 --> 01:41:06,320
about we had an offer on the table from

2444
01:41:09,759 --> 01:41:07,909
Amy and they weren't going to not take

2445
01:41:12,579 --> 01:41:09,769
it and they they outvoted me so I had to

2446
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:12,589
go with it so I really want to set my

2447
01:41:18,250 --> 01:41:15,010
sights back on this initial project of

2448
01:41:20,879 --> 01:41:18,260
creating a higher end version of I know

2449
01:41:25,659 --> 01:41:20,889
what I saw but more around the world

2450
01:41:28,869 --> 01:41:25,669
better evidence recent stuff you know

2451
01:41:30,609 --> 01:41:28,879
cases like the Virginia case and cases

2452
01:41:33,429 --> 01:41:30,619
in Chile and Africa you know the rulers

2453
01:41:36,310 --> 01:41:33,439
and böblingen and all of Japan and China

2454
01:41:37,750 --> 01:41:36,320
and Russia it may be a two-hour special

2455
01:41:39,279 --> 01:41:37,760
or one and a half hour special I don't

2456
01:41:40,929 --> 01:41:39,289
know but we're sort of fine-tuning it

2457
01:41:43,899 --> 01:41:40,939
right now the really cool thing is that

2458
01:41:44,469 --> 01:41:43,909
a lot of the context I'm making now with

2459
01:41:46,899 --> 01:41:44,479
national G

2460
01:41:50,589 --> 01:41:46,909
graphic is really helping me with that

2461
01:41:52,719 --> 01:41:50,599
project in in mind so I'd like to do I'd

2462
01:41:55,179 --> 01:41:52,729
like to accomplish that goal first

2463
01:41:57,189 --> 01:41:55,189
before I embark on on other paranormal

2464
01:41:59,349 --> 01:41:57,199
projects but I'm always interested in

2465
01:42:01,959 --> 01:41:59,359
fascinated and I'm sure there must be a

2466
01:42:05,199 --> 01:42:01,969
connection a fast showbiz question do

2467
01:42:07,089 --> 01:42:05,209
you feel being part of chasing UFOs

2468
01:42:07,569 --> 01:42:07,099
especially if it goes on for a number of

2469
01:42:10,049 --> 01:42:07,579
years

2470
01:42:13,689 --> 01:42:10,059
you're typecast oh he's the UFO guy

2471
01:42:17,769 --> 01:42:13,699
absolutely absolutely no question about

2472
01:42:20,019 --> 01:42:17,779
I think it's already too late yeah yeah

2473
01:42:22,179 --> 01:42:20,029
I think it's probably too late but

2474
01:42:23,979 --> 01:42:22,189
that's okay you know I've done other

2475
01:42:27,999 --> 01:42:23,989
smaller projects I did the film called a

2476
01:42:31,119 --> 01:42:28,009
good fight I did a short film on the I'm

2477
01:42:32,559 --> 01:42:31,129
working on on the BP oil spill I have a

2478
01:42:35,229 --> 01:42:32,569
rough cut none of that I probably have

2479
01:42:39,899 --> 01:42:35,239
another six months ago on that one I

2480
01:42:43,659 --> 01:42:39,909
mean if I made a short movie on for a

2481
01:42:46,029 --> 01:42:43,669
scientist that goes to Antarctica every

2482
01:42:47,949 --> 01:42:46,039
year and his effort right now is trying

2483
01:42:51,129 --> 01:42:47,959
to save one of the last bodies of water

2484
01:42:53,199 --> 01:42:51,139
where you can actually watch the

2485
01:42:55,149 --> 01:42:53,209
interaction of species as they've been

2486
01:42:59,349 --> 01:42:55,159
doing so for millions of years sort of

2487
01:43:02,109 --> 01:42:59,359
untouched unmolested by man and it's

2488
01:43:03,639 --> 01:43:02,119
called the Ross Sea and so I'm working

2489
01:43:05,109 --> 01:43:03,649
on those product I did it I did what's

2490
01:43:07,299 --> 01:43:05,119
called a webisode for members of

2491
01:43:10,659 --> 01:43:07,309
Congress to highlight some of what's

2492
01:43:14,049 --> 01:43:10,669
happening out there I did a piece on the

2493
01:43:16,509 --> 01:43:14,059
old-growth Giant Sequoias and it's quite

2494
01:43:17,769 --> 01:43:16,519
a national monument for to try and shed

2495
01:43:19,689 --> 01:43:17,779
a little light on what's been happening

2496
01:43:22,329 --> 01:43:19,699
up there and get that in the hands of

2497
01:43:26,289 --> 01:43:22,339
the Park Service so I have my other

2498
01:43:27,729 --> 01:43:26,299
little side gigs and the UFOs seems to

2499
01:43:29,949 --> 01:43:27,739
be something that kind of keeps me going

2500
01:43:31,389 --> 01:43:29,959
I've never made a lot of money in it for

2501
01:43:33,669 --> 01:43:31,399
those of you out there is I think I have

2502
01:43:35,709 --> 01:43:33,679
I have it I have zero savings in my

2503
01:43:39,459 --> 01:43:35,719
savings account I'm struggling right now

2504
01:43:42,789 --> 01:43:39,469
to try to pay for a house but I seem to

2505
01:43:45,159 --> 01:43:42,799
be making it work somehow some way and

2506
01:43:47,529 --> 01:43:45,169
in terms of wonder that I feel like I'm

2507
01:43:49,269 --> 01:43:47,539
going to be pigeonholed as the UFO guy I

2508
01:43:51,819 --> 01:43:49,279
think it's much too late for that I

2509
01:43:56,169 --> 01:43:51,829
think it's fair to say to people who

2510
01:43:57,870 --> 01:43:56,179
look at TV as this rich source of riches

2511
01:44:00,450 --> 01:43:57,880
people making

2512
01:44:02,700 --> 01:44:00,460
tens of millions of dollars you know

2513
01:44:04,830 --> 01:44:02,710
you're hired help for a reality series

2514
01:44:06,180 --> 01:44:04,840
you know the pay may be nice but it's

2515
01:44:08,879 --> 01:44:06,190
not that nice

2516
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:08,889
no no it's nothing there's nothing to

2517
01:44:13,620 --> 01:44:11,050
speak of I mean it's funny it's like you

2518
01:44:16,110 --> 01:44:13,630
know Here I am on television and right

2519
01:44:18,899 --> 01:44:16,120
now and I'm probably broken out and I've

2520
01:44:21,930 --> 01:44:18,909
been in five years but you know I'm used

2521
01:44:25,470 --> 01:44:21,940
to being I can handle being you know I

2522
01:44:27,030 --> 01:44:25,480
make my money in spurts and I got a

2523
01:44:28,979 --> 01:44:27,040
couple films and distribution and I'm

2524
01:44:30,300 --> 01:44:28,989
working those deals and I have a lot of

2525
01:44:31,379 --> 01:44:30,310
overhead right now because I just bought

2526
01:44:33,290 --> 01:44:31,389
a house I've been living I've been

2527
01:44:37,820 --> 01:44:33,300
living in a house for 12 years and

2528
01:44:41,610 --> 01:44:37,830
renting and no savings but whatsoever

2529
01:44:45,149 --> 01:44:41,620
but I had a cold felt all the money I

2530
01:44:47,459 --> 01:44:45,159
made into my movies but I had a the

2531
01:44:48,720 --> 01:44:47,469
lamely lose her job and she really

2532
01:44:50,010 --> 01:44:48,730
needed to sell the place and I'd put a

2533
01:44:53,870 --> 01:44:50,020
lot of money into it and she made a deal

2534
01:44:57,689 --> 01:44:53,880
with me and so fortunately I was able to

2535
01:45:00,360 --> 01:44:57,699
you know basically do a loan through her

2536
01:45:02,100 --> 01:45:00,370
not the banks and it kept me in the

2537
01:45:04,439 --> 01:45:02,110
place and I'm just you know trying to

2538
01:45:05,820 --> 01:45:04,449
pay it off as best I can I got a couple

2539
01:45:07,860 --> 01:45:05,830
little rentals and I built on the

2540
01:45:11,010 --> 01:45:07,870
property with all these cycled materials

2541
01:45:15,270 --> 01:45:11,020
and I got from from locals in the area

2542
01:45:17,070 --> 01:45:15,280
so basically you're becoming a landlord

2543
01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:17,080
yourself we got to pay a few bills here

2544
01:45:26,240 --> 01:45:19,810
we're talking to James Fox with gene and

2545
01:45:31,250 --> 01:45:28,070
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2607
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standard of paranormal radio and now

2608
01:48:03,850 --> 01:48:01,820
here's Jane Steinberg I'm gonna really

2609
01:48:05,410 --> 01:48:03,860
nail it next time and we have to tell

2610
01:48:07,960 --> 01:48:05,420
our listeners here that one of the

2611
01:48:10,570 --> 01:48:07,970
featured spots on the para cast is to

2612
01:48:13,090 --> 01:48:10,580
get to say those two words as of course

2613
01:48:15,880 --> 01:48:13,100
James Fox is discovered and of course

2614
01:48:18,190 --> 01:48:15,890
spry sable but when people like Nick

2615
01:48:20,830 --> 01:48:18,200
Redfern come on the show he doesn't say

2616
01:48:23,380 --> 01:48:20,840
that he just laughs he laughs like the

2617
01:48:26,440 --> 01:48:23,390
shadow the shadow knows and then Nick

2618
01:48:31,390 --> 01:48:26,450
Redfern gives us more well he gives us

2619
01:48:33,880 --> 01:48:31,400
more of a resonant laughs but we have

2620
01:48:37,030 --> 01:48:33,890
James Fox part of the team producing

2621
01:48:39,640 --> 01:48:37,040
chasing UFOs on the para cast with Gene

2622
01:48:41,590 --> 01:48:39,650
and Chris and now we're asking your

2623
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:41,600
questions listeners posting in the

2624
01:48:48,370 --> 01:48:44,570
question Bank over at forum dr. Peric

2625
01:48:51,370 --> 01:48:48,380
ascom chris correct one of our longest

2626
01:48:54,520 --> 01:48:51,380
time listeners and forum posters cotton

2627
01:48:56,200 --> 01:48:54,530
ziwei who's been been posting for seven

2628
01:48:57,750 --> 01:48:56,210
years almost six and a half years he

2629
01:49:01,330 --> 01:48:57,760
must be very tired

2630
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:01,340
he asks an interesting question you know

2631
01:49:04,240 --> 01:49:02,570
we were talking about other side

2632
01:49:07,150 --> 01:49:04,250
projects that you've been involved with

2633
01:49:11,380 --> 01:49:07,160
now I remember back in 2010 I was really

2634
01:49:13,120 --> 01:49:11,390
following your work down in the Gulf as

2635
01:49:15,280 --> 01:49:13,130
soon as you would post something on

2636
01:49:18,460 --> 01:49:15,290
YouTube or I'd hear an interview or any

2637
01:49:21,160 --> 01:49:18,470
sort of radio thing or podcasting I

2638
01:49:22,990 --> 01:49:21,170
would be glued waiting to hear news

2639
01:49:25,150 --> 01:49:23,000
because it was such a news blackout

2640
01:49:27,460 --> 01:49:25,160
about that and that got awful BP oil

2641
01:49:28,750 --> 01:49:27,470
spill cotton ziwei wants to know do you

2642
01:49:30,430 --> 01:49:28,760
have a planned release date for you're

2643
01:49:32,770 --> 01:49:30,440
pretty slick documentary about that

2644
01:49:34,390 --> 01:49:32,780
about the spill and also do you have any

2645
01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:34,400
other ideas that are either work you're

2646
01:49:38,350 --> 01:49:35,930
working on a considering to do a

2647
01:49:40,300 --> 01:49:38,360
documentary on outside the UFO subject

2648
01:49:41,920 --> 01:49:40,310
now we've kind of talked about that but

2649
01:49:45,190 --> 01:49:41,930
but what about your documentary about

2650
01:49:47,530 --> 01:49:45,200
the the Gulf oil spill I I finished a

2651
01:49:51,280 --> 01:49:47,540
rough cut of that I signed a contract

2652
01:49:52,930 --> 01:49:51,290
with MTV it's a subsidiary of MTV it's

2653
01:49:55,180 --> 01:49:52,940
the contract is MTV and I'm trying to

2654
01:49:58,750 --> 01:49:55,190
member the name of the other parenting

2655
01:49:59,169 --> 01:49:58,760
company but any case and I produced a 97

2656
01:50:01,000 --> 01:49:59,179
minute

2657
01:50:04,419 --> 01:50:01,010
rough cut of the film which was pretty

2658
01:50:06,759 --> 01:50:04,429
good and then they they reviewed it and

2659
01:50:08,350 --> 01:50:06,769
they said cut it down and make some

2660
01:50:09,879 --> 01:50:08,360
changes and add some additional stuff to

2661
01:50:12,310 --> 01:50:09,889
it so I went back to the drawing board I

2662
01:50:14,020 --> 01:50:12,320
went back to the Gulf a year later which

2663
01:50:15,549 --> 01:50:14,030
was last year and Irish OTT a whole

2664
01:50:18,369 --> 01:50:15,559
bunch of great new material

2665
01:50:21,129 --> 01:50:18,379
unfortunately sad new material on the

2666
01:50:24,089 --> 01:50:21,139
piece and started to integrate that back

2667
01:50:27,639 --> 01:50:24,099
end and got probably I don't know maybe

2668
01:50:29,350 --> 01:50:27,649
40% done and then the National

2669
01:50:33,879 --> 01:50:29,360
Geographic gang came and was just

2670
01:50:35,889 --> 01:50:33,889
all-consuming and and now I am seeking

2671
01:50:37,750 --> 01:50:35,899
post-production funds I probably need

2672
01:50:42,129 --> 01:50:37,760
about three months with most production

2673
01:50:43,509 --> 01:50:42,139
funds to have the film complete and I'm

2674
01:50:45,759 --> 01:50:43,519
sort of setting my sights on that a

2675
01:50:48,009 --> 01:50:45,769
little bit right now but like I said

2676
01:50:50,290 --> 01:50:48,019
it's been all-consuming doing this

2677
01:50:53,049 --> 01:50:50,300
national geographic' gigs less last six

2678
01:50:55,029 --> 01:50:53,059
seven months so yes I do fully intend on

2679
01:50:58,719 --> 01:50:55,039
getting that film off and the irony of

2680
01:51:00,250 --> 01:50:58,729
it is it's almost good that because it

2681
01:51:01,750 --> 01:51:00,260
would have been ideal to get that film

2682
01:51:04,689 --> 01:51:01,760
out exactly on the one-year anniversary

2683
01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:04,699
but it just didn't happen I got close

2684
01:51:09,279 --> 01:51:07,010
but the fact that I didn't mean that now

2685
01:51:12,219 --> 01:51:09,289
I vlogged you know follow the stories of

2686
01:51:14,850 --> 01:51:12,229
all these people at the time a year

2687
01:51:17,439 --> 01:51:14,860
later and then now two years later so

2688
01:51:21,100 --> 01:51:17,449
you know when the film comes out it will

2689
01:51:23,500 --> 01:51:21,110
have the the event itself and then the

2690
01:51:25,869 --> 01:51:23,510
aftermath of two years later when is

2691
01:51:27,729 --> 01:51:25,879
some PR guy from BP going to come with a

2692
01:51:32,859 --> 01:51:27,739
big Samson I filled with the with old

2693
01:51:34,839 --> 01:51:32,869
hundred-dollar bills yeah please

2694
01:51:37,089 --> 01:51:34,849
here's another question from this one

2695
01:51:38,799 --> 01:51:37,099
from boomerang who's been a poster for

2696
01:51:40,600 --> 01:51:38,809
about a year and a half and by the way I

2697
01:51:45,159 --> 01:51:40,610
want to count for these names Paul true

2698
01:51:49,600 --> 01:51:45,169
worst and boomerang and return visits

2699
01:51:51,100 --> 01:51:49,610
the next one I think cotton ziwei mr.

2700
01:51:52,659 --> 01:51:51,110
Fox there are numerous accounts on

2701
01:51:55,029 --> 01:51:52,669
record of what appear to be standard

2702
01:51:57,850 --> 01:51:55,039
military aircraft involved with or in

2703
01:51:59,859 --> 01:51:57,860
pursuit of UFOs the cache land in case

2704
01:52:03,279 --> 01:51:59,869
is a classic example as is the

2705
01:52:04,989 --> 01:52:03,289
Stevensville case which you were not

2706
01:52:06,939 --> 01:52:04,999
really able to cover because of time

2707
01:52:08,799 --> 01:52:06,949
constraints but do you think the jet

2708
01:52:10,659 --> 01:52:08,809
fighters and helicopters observed as

2709
01:52:11,900 --> 01:52:10,669
part of these events are genuine

2710
01:52:14,150 --> 01:52:11,910
terrestrial aircraft

2711
01:52:17,120 --> 01:52:14,160
or another aspect of the illusion

2712
01:52:19,120 --> 01:52:17,130
created by the phenomenon itself the

2713
01:52:21,950 --> 01:52:19,130
question basically is do I feel that

2714
01:52:25,640 --> 01:52:21,960
that we're actually pursuing these these

2715
01:52:27,530 --> 01:52:25,650
objects mm-hmm now how would say for

2716
01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:27,540
instance helicopter scene around cattle

2717
01:52:33,230 --> 01:52:30,210
mutilation sites are holographic images

2718
01:52:36,860 --> 01:52:33,240
put there by the aliens to fool us which

2719
01:52:39,050 --> 01:52:36,870
I don't give one bit of credence to but

2720
01:52:40,910 --> 01:52:39,060
but are we dealing with the military

2721
01:52:43,700 --> 01:52:40,920
monitoring these craft and following

2722
01:52:46,070 --> 01:52:43,710
them or do you think the the phenomenon

2723
01:52:49,130 --> 01:52:46,080
is supplying this visual data for us to

2724
01:52:50,930 --> 01:52:49,140
to throw us off off our game well if you

2725
01:52:53,900 --> 01:52:50,940
got an idiot like me out there chasing

2726
01:52:56,690 --> 01:52:53,910
UFOs with limited resources then I can

2727
01:52:59,120 --> 01:52:56,700
only imagine with proper resources at

2728
01:53:02,450 --> 01:52:59,130
ones disposal and a curiosity and a

2729
01:53:03,860 --> 01:53:02,460
methodology to monitor the airspace then

2730
01:53:06,350 --> 01:53:03,870
why wouldn't they be

2731
01:53:08,090 --> 01:53:06,360
and I say then that's the military of

2732
01:53:10,670 --> 01:53:08,100
course they are especially if they're

2733
01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:10,680
flying around which is ranch you bet

2734
01:53:14,630 --> 01:53:12,330
they'd marshal their resources

2735
01:53:18,410 --> 01:53:14,640
especially if you have an object that

2736
01:53:20,030 --> 01:53:18,420
that is a mile wide flying into

2737
01:53:21,320 --> 01:53:20,040
restricted airspace around bushes

2738
01:53:24,290 --> 01:53:21,330
Crawford ranch

2739
01:53:27,350 --> 01:53:24,300
oh yeah no they scramble jets you know I

2740
01:53:28,910 --> 01:53:27,360
heard a pretty damn credible source from

2741
01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:28,920
law obviously there's been a number of

2742
01:53:33,800 --> 01:53:32,010
cases but one in particular the governor

2743
01:53:36,020 --> 01:53:33,810
of five Simon had told me that they

2744
01:53:40,220 --> 01:53:36,030
scrambled jets from Luke Air Force Base

2745
01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:40,230
to intercept that that object and I wish

2746
01:53:47,150 --> 01:53:42,570
like heck I could remember the the guy's

2747
01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:47,160
name or more details but basically there

2748
01:53:51,230 --> 01:53:49,530
was an f-16 scrambled to intercept

2749
01:53:56,030 --> 01:53:51,240
whatever the heck it was it was flying

2750
01:53:59,360 --> 01:53:56,040
over Phoenix March 13th 1997 and when

2751
01:54:01,940 --> 01:53:59,370
the pilot returned they had to pull him

2752
01:54:05,120 --> 01:54:01,950
out of the cockpit because he was so

2753
01:54:07,310 --> 01:54:05,130
terrified well you do you remember cuz I

2754
01:54:09,680 --> 01:54:07,320
actually I actually heard a recording it

2755
01:54:12,020 --> 01:54:09,690
was given to me by a researcher and I

2756
01:54:14,660 --> 01:54:12,030
believe it was one of the airmen that

2757
01:54:18,470 --> 01:54:14,670
helped pull this guy out of the craft he

2758
01:54:20,720 --> 01:54:18,480
was he was rocked to the core about what

2759
01:54:23,690 --> 01:54:20,730
he saw there have been another yeah I

2760
01:54:25,550 --> 01:54:23,700
mean wilds like that yeah you know what

2761
01:54:28,030 --> 01:54:25,560
we do if I take

2762
01:54:30,470 --> 01:54:28,040
any kind of plane and I fly over

2763
01:54:32,810 --> 01:54:30,480
sensitive airspace specifically that of

2764
01:54:34,220 --> 01:54:32,820
like area 51 or something you don't

2765
01:54:36,230 --> 01:54:34,230
think the military is going to send up

2766
01:54:38,210 --> 01:54:36,240
aircraft to investigate no they're just

2767
01:54:41,450 --> 01:54:38,220
gonna shoot you down speaking of which

2768
01:54:43,670 --> 01:54:41,460
did you attempt during the show or have

2769
01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:43,680
you so far do you plan to did you

2770
01:54:51,680 --> 01:54:48,810
attempt a flyover of area 51 yeah that'd

2771
01:54:54,830 --> 01:54:51,690
be like definite jail there's mine would

2772
01:54:57,590 --> 01:54:54,840
sure make the headlines there's reasons

2773
01:55:00,080 --> 01:54:57,600
why I can't even talk about that on the

2774
01:55:02,410 --> 01:55:00,090
app on any of the episodes because of

2775
01:55:06,650 --> 01:55:02,420
the sensitive nature of one of the

2776
01:55:07,430 --> 01:55:06,660
co-hosts employment it's as far as I'll

2777
01:55:09,830 --> 01:55:07,440
go on that one

2778
01:55:14,660 --> 01:55:09,840
no the plot thickens again he's one of

2779
01:55:18,350 --> 01:55:14,670
them he looks innocent enough looks can

2780
01:55:19,850 --> 01:55:18,360
be deceiving though he's one of the

2781
01:55:22,010 --> 01:55:19,860
brightest people I've ever met

2782
01:55:23,810 --> 01:55:22,020
yeah he seems pretty on the ball he's

2783
01:55:25,130 --> 01:55:23,820
definitely a scientist do you think at

2784
01:55:30,860 --> 01:55:25,140
the end of the series you're gonna make

2785
01:55:34,070 --> 01:55:30,870
him a believer do I think there were

2786
01:55:36,380 --> 01:55:34,080
times in the interviews where I would

2787
01:55:38,210 --> 01:55:36,390
look over at him one of which was with

2788
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:38,220
Apollo 13 astronaut Edgar Mitchell he's

2789
01:55:42,740 --> 01:55:41,010
also applying to be an astronaut there

2790
01:55:44,300 --> 01:55:42,750
were times when he would look over you

2791
01:55:46,010 --> 01:55:44,310
know I'd look over at him and he's I

2792
01:55:49,700 --> 01:55:46,020
could see the gears turning you know

2793
01:55:51,920 --> 01:55:49,710
what if what if what is but he's a

2794
01:55:53,930 --> 01:55:51,930
scientist he wants to see tangible data

2795
01:55:55,310 --> 01:55:53,940
you know about the data speaks for

2796
01:55:58,670 --> 01:55:55,320
itself and I don't blame them you know

2797
01:56:00,920 --> 01:55:58,680
and and and he hasn't had a whole lot of

2798
01:56:03,380 --> 01:56:00,930
experience other than what we just did

2799
01:56:05,090 --> 01:56:03,390
talking to witnesses but he was very own

2800
01:56:08,330 --> 01:56:05,100
umber of occasions he was very intrigued

2801
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he really was I mean how could you not

2802
01:56:12,830 --> 01:56:10,830
be right I mean you'd have to really

2803
01:56:16,250 --> 01:56:12,840
have your head in the proverbial

2804
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:16,260
sandpile not to to at least be intrigued

2805
01:56:23,030 --> 01:56:19,530
enough to look into it further yeah you

2806
01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:23,040
know I I must say there are a handful of

2807
01:56:30,740 --> 01:56:25,050
people out there dr. J Allen Hynek being

2808
01:56:32,930 --> 01:56:30,750
one of them that really swayed me quite

2809
01:56:35,000 --> 01:56:32,940
early on you know when you hear from

2810
01:56:38,330 --> 01:56:35,010
someone whose job it was to investigate

2811
01:56:39,230 --> 01:56:38,340
sightings for the Air Force for all that

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01:56:42,050 --> 01:56:39,240
was at 48

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to 69 and then say the things he did

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post Bluebook you know and then see what

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01:56:51,200 --> 01:56:48,720
he what sort of stunts he pulled during

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his time at Blue Book and Drudge and

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find everything else and of course swamp

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I was working it's my first job that was

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from the Michigan hearing sure that was

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my first job by the way I was working

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story came across our table and we

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your questions ladies and gentlemen

2940
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posted at forum doctor para cast come in

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the question Bank Chris we have maybe

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one or two more questions we do SRL who

2943
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is a about a year and a half two year

2944
02:02:42,680 --> 02:02:40,290
poster I'd love to know what that SRL

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means standard research laboratory I

2946
02:02:48,560 --> 02:02:44,910
don't know anyway James have you ever

2947
02:02:51,080 --> 02:02:48,570
investigated us those unidentified

2948
02:02:53,810 --> 02:02:51,090
submersed objects and if so what might

2949
02:02:56,300 --> 02:02:53,820
you be able to tell us about them and a

2950
02:02:57,950 --> 02:02:56,310
second question have you ever

2951
02:02:59,570 --> 02:02:57,960
interviewed witnesses who have claimed

2952
02:03:03,410 --> 02:02:59,580
to have had paranormal experiences

2953
02:03:06,470 --> 02:03:03,420
before witnessing an aerial anomaly no

2954
02:03:08,930 --> 02:03:06,480
it's to the first question and yes to

2955
02:03:10,670 --> 02:03:08,940
the second question I have looked in a

2956
02:03:14,240 --> 02:03:10,680
little bit of that case was it was at

2957
02:03:16,820 --> 02:03:14,250
Nova Scotia Sag Harbor yes thank you I

2958
02:03:18,470 --> 02:03:16,830
looked into that one a little bit but

2959
02:03:20,180 --> 02:03:18,480
and I've actually spoken to a couple

2960
02:03:23,020 --> 02:03:20,190
people in the Navy that said they picked

2961
02:03:25,340 --> 02:03:23,030
up things on sonar

2962
02:03:27,980 --> 02:03:25,350
traveling at extremely high speeds

2963
02:03:28,550 --> 02:03:27,990
underwater but that's the extent of my

2964
02:03:32,480 --> 02:03:28,560
iya

2965
02:03:36,020 --> 02:03:32,490
are us oh sorry yeah try to get that one

2966
02:03:39,890 --> 02:03:36,030
right and in terms of the other question

2967
02:03:43,280 --> 02:03:39,900
yes I have had witnesses report to me

2968
02:03:44,810 --> 02:03:43,290
that they feel something prior to a

2969
02:03:48,770 --> 02:03:44,820
sighting or that they're drawn to a

2970
02:03:50,450 --> 02:03:48,780
window or that they yeah they did

2971
02:03:52,370 --> 02:03:50,460
someone's like they're on autopilot like

2972
02:03:54,529 --> 02:03:52,380
someone sort of guiding them that's just

2973
02:03:56,750 --> 02:03:54,539
what's been reported to me I personally

2974
02:03:58,279 --> 02:03:56,760
have not experienced that but what I

2975
02:04:00,529 --> 02:03:58,289
have experienced which is rather

2976
02:04:02,419 --> 02:04:00,539
interesting I know it's not directly

2977
02:04:05,029 --> 02:04:02,429
your question but when I had a sighting

2978
02:04:07,729 --> 02:04:05,039
myself back in 1989

2979
02:04:09,140 --> 02:04:07,739
I remember my girlfriend looking at me

2980
02:04:10,790 --> 02:04:09,150
were lying in bed looking out the

2981
02:04:13,220 --> 02:04:10,800
bedroom window and just above the

2982
02:04:16,459 --> 02:04:13,230
treetops there's this sort of egg-shaped

2983
02:04:18,169 --> 02:04:16,469
thing it was sort of kind of dimming and

2984
02:04:19,669 --> 02:04:18,179
then brightening almost like it was like

2985
02:04:22,430 --> 02:04:19,679
breathing or something that was weird

2986
02:04:23,750 --> 02:04:22,440
she looked at me and she said what the

2987
02:04:28,669 --> 02:04:23,760
bleep is that

2988
02:04:31,100 --> 02:04:28,679
and I said I don't know what that is but

2989
02:04:33,560 --> 02:04:31,110
whatever it is it knows we're looking at

2990
02:04:37,250 --> 02:04:33,570
it so there was weird sort of sentience

2991
02:04:39,020 --> 02:04:37,260
she said I feel that too funny as an old

2992
02:04:40,339 --> 02:04:39,030
girlfriend of mine Lisa Reinhardt and I

2993
02:04:42,830 --> 02:04:40,349
bumped into her just a couple of years

2994
02:04:44,930 --> 02:04:42,840
ago and this we're talking over twenty

2995
02:04:47,149 --> 02:04:44,940
years ago and I bumped into her just two

2996
02:04:50,000 --> 02:04:47,159
years ago down in southern San Diego and

2997
02:04:52,009 --> 02:04:50,010
I said Lisa she had a husband and lovely

2998
02:04:53,569 --> 02:04:52,019
daughter six-year-old daughter and I

2999
02:04:56,029 --> 02:04:53,579
said you remember that exciting we had

3000
02:04:57,680 --> 02:04:56,039
yes what do you remember she told me she

3001
02:05:00,589 --> 02:04:57,690
didn't knew we were looking at it

3002
02:05:03,009 --> 02:05:00,599
I said yeah I felt that too so all these

3003
02:05:05,149 --> 02:05:03,019
years later we remembered it that way so

3004
02:05:08,149 --> 02:05:05,159
interesting I've had some witnesses talk

3005
02:05:10,129 --> 02:05:08,159
about being drawn to a window or doing a

3006
02:05:12,410 --> 02:05:10,139
certain something feeling some level of

3007
02:05:14,029 --> 02:05:12,420
communication and then my only personal

3008
02:05:16,129 --> 02:05:14,039
experience with that is that once

3009
02:05:18,229 --> 02:05:16,139
looking at this object I felt that it

3010
02:05:21,919 --> 02:05:18,239
knew we were looking at it I don't know

3011
02:05:23,720 --> 02:05:21,929
I hope that helps it does and I've you

3012
02:05:25,910 --> 02:05:23,730
know having investigated quite a number

3013
02:05:29,200 --> 02:05:25,920
of cases myself I'm surprised at the

3014
02:05:34,220 --> 02:05:29,210
number of times I've heard some sort of

3015
02:05:36,830 --> 02:05:34,230
you know Bree some pre reaction to an

3016
02:05:38,899 --> 02:05:36,840
event just seconds or minutes before it

3017
02:05:40,069 --> 02:05:38,909
happens and you know possibly that could

3018
02:05:43,310 --> 02:05:40,079
be equated to some sort of

3019
02:05:45,319 --> 02:05:43,320
electromagnetic field effect raised

3020
02:05:48,200 --> 02:05:45,329
Danford calls it euphoria that the

3021
02:05:49,669 --> 02:05:48,210
magnetic field actually does impact the

3022
02:05:52,459 --> 02:05:49,679
person and gives them kind of an elated

3023
02:05:54,890 --> 02:05:52,469
sense sometimes animals of course we

3024
02:05:56,540 --> 02:05:54,900
know react to that but back to the first

3025
02:05:58,640 --> 02:05:56,550
question on us owes I would really

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02:06:01,520 --> 02:05:58,650
recommend you read Ivan T Sanderson's

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02:06:04,609 --> 02:06:01,530
book invisible residents which is a

3028
02:06:07,549 --> 02:06:04,619
classic from the 70s at the time he

3029
02:06:08,299 --> 02:06:07,559
estimated upwards of 50% of all UFO

3030
02:06:10,309 --> 02:06:08,309
sightings could

3031
02:06:12,619 --> 02:06:10,319
equated with bodies of water and for

3032
02:06:14,599 --> 02:06:12,629
anyone interested us oh is that that's a

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really important book to read I have

3034
02:06:21,770 --> 02:06:17,849
another question here from Waddy Waddy

3035
02:06:24,500 --> 02:06:21,780
but how do you well that's that's from

3036
02:06:30,109 --> 02:06:24,510
dune I think that Frank Herbert book

3037
02:06:33,469 --> 02:06:30,119
dune the Madiba anyway Rajiv what a

3038
02:06:35,089 --> 02:06:33,479
diva's is is a brand-new poster who he

3039
02:06:38,540 --> 02:06:35,099
this will be his first question asked on

3040
02:06:40,309 --> 02:06:38,550
air welcome to the to the team Wadi I'd

3041
02:06:43,219 --> 02:06:40,319
be curious to know what James thinks

3042
02:06:45,939 --> 02:06:43,229
about the and I had famous photograph of

3043
02:06:48,770 --> 02:06:45,949
the triangular UFO from the Belgian wave

3044
02:06:51,259 --> 02:06:48,780
UFO wave back in the I believe the

3045
02:06:53,629 --> 02:06:51,269
eighties that now we've found out that

3046
02:06:56,209 --> 02:06:53,639
it's a it's probably a hoax photograph

3047
02:06:58,369 --> 02:06:56,219
this is one of the most famous UFO

3048
02:07:00,500 --> 02:06:58,379
photographs Leslie Kean used it in her

3049
02:07:04,250 --> 02:07:00,510
book her recent book I used it in my

3050
02:07:06,799 --> 02:07:04,260
film called a Paul David I think is use

3051
02:07:09,949 --> 02:07:06,809
didn't want to hear so do you think the

3052
02:07:12,439 --> 02:07:09,959
desert here's the interesting twist of

3053
02:07:15,319 --> 02:07:12,449
that when I got the photograph well

3054
02:07:17,290 --> 02:07:15,329
obviously I saw it I saw it in the early

3055
02:07:19,309 --> 02:07:17,300
to mid 90s I think it was taking the

3056
02:07:21,439 --> 02:07:19,319
1991 something like that wasn't it

3057
02:07:22,879 --> 02:07:21,449
somewhere on them theoretically or

3058
02:07:24,770 --> 02:07:22,889
supposing you're right it was and I

3059
02:07:27,919 --> 02:07:24,780
gotta be settled Brower the Belgian

3060
02:07:30,979 --> 02:07:27,929
general and I said boy I'd love to use

3061
02:07:33,679 --> 02:07:30,989
this image in my film I know what I saw

3062
02:07:36,500 --> 02:07:33,689
and he said well you have to contact the

3063
02:07:40,069 --> 02:07:36,510
owner the T Roshan or something like

3064
02:07:42,319 --> 02:07:40,079
this I did and the interesting thing

3065
02:07:46,759 --> 02:07:42,329
about it was that they had no interest

3066
02:07:48,559 --> 02:07:46,769
in they had no interest in in in pawning

3067
02:07:50,599 --> 02:07:48,569
the thing off I was like I had to go out

3068
02:07:52,609 --> 02:07:50,609
and and and ask for it almost kind of

3069
02:07:55,849 --> 02:07:52,619
begged to use it so it's kind of and

3070
02:07:57,559 --> 02:07:55,859
that the guy didn't want his correct me

3071
02:07:59,119 --> 02:07:57,569
if I'm wrong but I'm almost positive he

3072
02:08:01,549 --> 02:07:59,129
didn't want for the longest time even

3073
02:08:02,959 --> 02:08:01,559
his identity be revealed it was like he

3074
02:08:05,179 --> 02:08:02,969
took this thing and took the photograph

3075
02:08:07,369 --> 02:08:05,189
so when I found out it was possibly

3076
02:08:09,049 --> 02:08:07,379
hoaxed I've heard that so many other

3077
02:08:10,969 --> 02:08:09,059
times with cases that I'm familiar with

3078
02:08:13,429 --> 02:08:10,979
that it really makes you wonder it was

3079
02:08:16,549 --> 02:08:13,439
like suddenly you know the air force

3080
02:08:19,339 --> 02:08:16,559
coming out and saying hey Roswell is

3081
02:08:21,379 --> 02:08:19,349
just the project mogul or you know the

3082
02:08:22,090 --> 02:08:21,389
McMahan McMinnville Oregon photographs

3083
02:08:27,430 --> 02:08:22,100
or the

3084
02:08:32,440 --> 02:08:27,440
yeah the Santana pictures look at the

3085
02:08:35,170 --> 02:08:32,450
bump so I'm I'm suspicious but you know

3086
02:08:37,090 --> 02:08:35,180
do we know for a fact that he's the one

3087
02:08:38,650 --> 02:08:37,100
that shot it and then then debunked it

3088
02:08:40,960 --> 02:08:38,660
later to bunt it because as far as I

3089
02:08:42,940 --> 02:08:40,970
knew the person who shot it didn't even

3090
02:08:44,470 --> 02:08:42,950
want their identity revealed so if

3091
02:08:47,740 --> 02:08:44,480
someone just came forward now and said

3092
02:08:50,020 --> 02:08:47,750
hey I shot that picture and I and I'm

3093
02:08:52,030 --> 02:08:50,030
debunking it how do we know that that

3094
02:08:53,980 --> 02:08:52,040
guy really did shoot that picture yeah

3095
02:08:56,290 --> 02:08:53,990
that's a very good point good point

3096
02:08:58,650 --> 02:08:56,300
also the Oliver's Castle footage of the

3097
02:09:01,600 --> 02:08:58,660
orbs supposedly creating a crop circle

3098
02:09:03,640 --> 02:09:01,610
initially that was debunked as being

3099
02:09:06,240 --> 02:09:03,650
done a very elaborate hoax by someone

3100
02:09:08,410 --> 02:09:06,250
you know with a background in video

3101
02:09:11,680 --> 02:09:08,420
effects in post-production but then

3102
02:09:13,060 --> 02:09:11,690
years later I think last year people are

3103
02:09:15,220 --> 02:09:13,070
starting to look at that film again and

3104
02:09:17,230 --> 02:09:15,230
say well wait a minute there's how do we

3105
02:09:25,750 --> 02:09:17,240
really know that this is not not a real

3106
02:09:28,870 --> 02:09:25,760
film clip so you know the guy down and

3107
02:09:31,390 --> 02:09:28,880
he just was totally anonymous yeah and

3108
02:09:33,220 --> 02:09:31,400
with the technology just leaping ahead

3109
02:09:39,970 --> 02:09:33,230
of us in leaps and bounds

3110
02:09:42,760 --> 02:09:39,980
this is originating and they another

3111
02:09:44,230 --> 02:09:42,770
from john doe and we all knew John Doe

3112
02:09:47,440 --> 02:09:44,240
there's a face to the front of her house

3113
02:09:50,200 --> 02:09:47,450
and you know and he paraded it around

3114
02:09:51,640 --> 02:09:50,210
the world and then 10 years later his

3115
02:09:54,190 --> 02:09:51,650
conscience got the better of him and

3116
02:09:55,390 --> 02:09:54,200
said hey guys you know on the same it's

3117
02:09:58,210 --> 02:09:55,400
the same face it's been a photograph

3118
02:10:00,940 --> 02:09:58,220
really sorry for what I did but I you

3119
02:10:02,380 --> 02:10:00,950
know I faked it that would be one thing

3120
02:10:04,270 --> 02:10:02,390
but in this case it doesn't it's not

3121
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that cut and dry you know you know

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what's gotten dry is telling you this on

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plan calm hi this is Don Ecker and you

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02:14:47,509 --> 02:14:45,599
are tuned in to the para cast let me

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02:14:50,209 --> 02:14:47,519
tell you what you're gonna hear stuff

3233
02:14:53,859 --> 02:14:50,219
here that you probably won't hear

3234
02:14:56,959 --> 02:14:53,869
anywhere else here that George snoring I

3235
02:14:59,839 --> 02:14:56,969
want to tell by the way our friend James

3236
02:15:01,339 --> 02:14:59,849
Fox he should keep his day job but he's

3237
02:15:03,709 --> 02:15:01,349
got an interesting day job because it

3238
02:15:05,629 --> 02:15:03,719
sometimes includes nights where they go

3239
02:15:08,569 --> 02:15:05,639
out together he and his fellow travelers

3240
02:15:10,759 --> 02:15:08,579
on chasing UFOs and they look for things

3241
02:15:12,979 --> 02:15:10,769
at night because it looks good on film

3242
02:15:16,609 --> 02:15:12,989
you know you've covered a lot of the

3243
02:15:18,469 --> 02:15:16,619
material we will see for episode 1 now I

3244
02:15:20,750 --> 02:15:18,479
mean you guys ever tried to sell a used

3245
02:15:23,209 --> 02:15:20,760
car don't you want to show it to the

3246
02:15:25,399 --> 02:15:23,219
potential buyer at night so he doesn't

3247
02:15:27,439 --> 02:15:25,409
pick out all the imperfections you know

3248
02:15:29,540 --> 02:15:27,449
what it's funny I'm the kind of person

3249
02:15:30,409 --> 02:15:29,550
who doesn't want to bother with that I

3250
02:15:34,100 --> 02:15:30,419
did it once

3251
02:15:36,319 --> 02:15:34,110
I sold my son's well-worn Honda Accord

3252
02:15:38,239 --> 02:15:36,329
that he wrecked 16 or 20 times or

3253
02:15:40,669 --> 02:15:38,249
something you know I was it was put

3254
02:15:43,279 --> 02:15:40,679
together pretty well I think and I got a

3255
02:15:45,290 --> 02:15:43,289
decent amount for it from somebody who

3256
02:15:47,540 --> 02:15:45,300
was a friend of a relative and that's

3257
02:15:49,699 --> 02:15:47,550
the only time I've done it I don't have

3258
02:15:54,409 --> 02:15:49,709
the time or energy to go through that

3259
02:15:57,109 --> 02:15:54,419
and so I can't so you go out selling a

3260
02:15:59,419 --> 02:15:57,119
used car yeah I'm starting to get your

3261
02:16:01,339 --> 02:15:59,429
your flavor a little here okay it's hard

3262
02:16:04,279 --> 02:16:01,349
enough to sell advertising for a radio

3263
02:16:06,109 --> 02:16:04,289
show and for a website I am NOT a

3264
02:16:08,540 --> 02:16:06,119
Salesman I don't play one on TV

3265
02:16:11,899 --> 02:16:08,550
and a reality show or otherwise okay

3266
02:16:13,939 --> 02:16:11,909
episode 2 is dirty secrets that I look

3267
02:16:18,560 --> 02:16:13,949
at and this one you've gone to

3268
02:16:21,199 --> 02:16:18,570
California Fresno Sacramento etc what

3269
02:16:23,719 --> 02:16:21,209
were you in search for well we had

3270
02:16:25,189 --> 02:16:23,729
reports I initially had had reports like

3271
02:16:27,319 --> 02:16:25,199
contacted gentleman named Jeffrey

3272
02:16:30,770 --> 02:16:27,329
Gonzalez really well-connected very

3273
02:16:33,620 --> 02:16:30,780
enthusiastic guy in in the area and he

3274
02:16:35,899 --> 02:16:33,630
put me in touch with a couple of people

3275
02:16:37,399 --> 02:16:35,909
one guy named Justin who what this

3276
02:16:38,690 --> 02:16:37,409
visitors reports I'll back up for a

3277
02:16:40,730 --> 02:16:38,700
second it's been a lot of reports and

3278
02:16:42,680 --> 02:16:40,740
area of these triangular shaped silent

3279
02:16:43,400 --> 02:16:42,690
craft I think the roughly the size of a

3280
02:16:45,410 --> 02:16:43,410
football field

3281
02:16:47,780 --> 02:16:45,420
that net maneuvers silently in the night

3282
02:16:49,490 --> 02:16:47,790
sky and rather slowly but he showed me

3283
02:16:51,110 --> 02:16:49,500
some rather impressive video footage I

3284
02:16:54,530 --> 02:16:51,120
must say it came from a couple people in

3285
02:16:57,260 --> 02:16:54,540
the area and in one person that he put

3286
02:16:59,750 --> 02:16:57,270
us in touch with named Justin former

3287
02:17:01,220 --> 02:16:59,760
military guy who captured one of these

3288
02:17:03,670 --> 02:17:01,230
things and Leslie crashing into a

3289
02:17:06,140 --> 02:17:03,680
hillside and there appeared to be

3290
02:17:08,150 --> 02:17:06,150
according to the witness I was testimony

3291
02:17:09,970 --> 02:17:08,160
as well as the video footage some sort

3292
02:17:13,100 --> 02:17:09,980
of recovery operation going on at night

3293
02:17:14,660 --> 02:17:13,110
which I found really interesting on top

3294
02:17:16,690 --> 02:17:14,670
of that it's fairly recent too in the

3295
02:17:19,850 --> 02:17:16,700
last couple of years on top of that

3296
02:17:23,390 --> 02:17:19,860
there was an older case in the area from

3297
02:17:27,050 --> 02:17:23,400
a guy named officer on parano and he had

3298
02:17:29,780 --> 02:17:27,060
a close encounter of the second kind he

3299
02:17:32,870 --> 02:17:29,790
had kept is all of his original gear his

3300
02:17:36,770 --> 02:17:32,880
his medical records from from the

3301
02:17:38,900 --> 02:17:36,780
hospital the local news stories he kept

3302
02:17:43,190 --> 02:17:38,910
everything which is very very impressive

3303
02:17:45,770 --> 02:17:43,200
case and so I pitched the idea of going

3304
02:17:47,270 --> 02:17:45,780
to California it's a matter of fact we

3305
02:17:51,110 --> 02:17:47,280
were putting together ideas for

3306
02:17:53,780 --> 02:17:51,120
California and I think Ohio and we got

3307
02:17:55,070 --> 02:17:53,790
more good stuff out of California and to

3308
02:17:57,590 --> 02:17:55,080
be honest with you I mean I only live

3309
02:17:59,360 --> 02:17:57,600
just a few hours away from from Fresno I

3310
02:18:02,180 --> 02:17:59,370
live in about an hour north of San

3311
02:18:03,680 --> 02:18:02,190
Francisco so I was kind of shocked to

3312
02:18:05,270 --> 02:18:03,690
think that there could be this activity

3313
02:18:07,400 --> 02:18:05,280
going on in my backyard and I didn't

3314
02:18:09,560 --> 02:18:07,410
know about it you know and when I got

3315
02:18:09,770 --> 02:18:09,570
there you know while some of it seemed a

3316
02:18:13,130 --> 02:18:09,780
bit

3317
02:18:15,200 --> 02:18:13,140
prosaic other parts of it didn't and so

3318
02:18:18,709 --> 02:18:15,210
I was rather it was rather interesting

3319
02:18:21,050 --> 02:18:18,719
episode now in this case here did you

3320
02:18:24,980 --> 02:18:21,060
encounter any evidence of men and black

3321
02:18:26,480 --> 02:18:24,990
presence no and when we first got there

3322
02:18:27,620 --> 02:18:26,490
we were kind of making fun of Geoffrey a

3323
02:18:29,600 --> 02:18:27,630
little bit because he kept going on

3324
02:18:31,280 --> 02:18:29,610
about you know every time the witness

3325
02:18:33,020 --> 02:18:31,290
captures something good on video there's

3326
02:18:34,520 --> 02:18:33,030
a white van showing up at their house

3327
02:18:36,770 --> 02:18:34,530
and they seem to be under surveillance

3328
02:18:38,750 --> 02:18:36,780
and you know Geoffrey is a great guy and

3329
02:18:40,160 --> 02:18:38,760
he's got a great sense of humor but but

3330
02:18:42,320 --> 02:18:40,170
he was there was a ton of seriousness to

3331
02:18:43,940 --> 02:18:42,330
him as well about this and some of the

3332
02:18:46,010 --> 02:18:43,950
other witnesses were pretty sure they

3333
02:18:47,180 --> 02:18:46,020
were being phoned followed and it's one

3334
02:18:48,410 --> 02:18:47,190
thing to hear about these stories when

3335
02:18:50,390 --> 02:18:48,420
you go and meet these people and you

3336
02:18:52,310 --> 02:18:50,400
they're real people and you think well I

3337
02:18:52,830 --> 02:18:52,320
certainly seems sincere maybe he's a

3338
02:18:55,259 --> 02:18:52,840
little pear

3339
02:18:57,750 --> 02:18:55,269
but he certainly seems sincere and while

3340
02:18:59,370 --> 02:18:57,760
we were there for a week we had a couple

3341
02:19:01,280 --> 02:18:59,380
of white man show up and did course

3342
02:19:03,330 --> 02:19:01,290
played it up and stuff but we did and

3343
02:19:04,440 --> 02:19:03,340
but who knows who they were could have

3344
02:19:06,570 --> 02:19:04,450
been coincidence it could have been we

3345
02:19:08,879 --> 02:19:06,580
were being look at who knows but we were

3346
02:19:11,849 --> 02:19:08,889
definitely poking around now when you do

3347
02:19:13,709 --> 02:19:11,859
these shoots do you announce to the

3348
02:19:18,750 --> 02:19:13,719
locals that you're going to be there or

3349
02:19:21,270 --> 02:19:18,760
do you just show up we announced to some

3350
02:19:23,040 --> 02:19:21,280
locals that were gonna be there you know

3351
02:19:26,310 --> 02:19:23,050
what I mean we don't want to make a huge

3352
02:19:28,410 --> 02:19:26,320
scene more than we already do when we

3353
02:19:29,849 --> 02:19:28,420
show up but so some locals we have a

3354
02:19:32,669 --> 02:19:29,859
scout that goes out a week in advance

3355
02:19:36,690 --> 02:19:32,679
secures locations if we need any permits

3356
02:19:38,639 --> 02:19:36,700
to access we generally get those and you

3357
02:19:41,129 --> 02:19:38,649
know kind of find out about availability

3358
02:19:44,129 --> 02:19:41,139
and you know shoot locations it's tough

3359
02:19:46,200 --> 02:19:44,139
because we got a big crew lots of gear

3360
02:19:47,280 --> 02:19:46,210
you don't want to be out there just kind

3361
02:19:49,290 --> 02:19:47,290
of fumbling around you want to have

3362
02:19:51,660 --> 02:19:49,300
everything kind of set so usually a week

3363
02:19:54,330 --> 02:19:51,670
in advance we send out a skeleton crew

3364
02:19:56,250 --> 02:19:54,340
of people to secure locations permit

3365
02:19:57,960 --> 02:19:56,260
tents or the pain you get second unit

3366
02:20:02,310 --> 02:19:57,970
footage things like that before you do

3367
02:20:04,260 --> 02:20:02,320
the actual visit we review some of the

3368
02:20:06,929 --> 02:20:04,270
UFO footage I'm thinking in terms where

3369
02:20:09,300 --> 02:20:06,939
you do some free shoots before you folk

3370
02:20:10,500 --> 02:20:09,310
will have someone send photographs like

3371
02:20:12,780 --> 02:20:10,510
you know just literally take simple

3372
02:20:16,200 --> 02:20:12,790
digital photographs and send for

3373
02:20:18,599 --> 02:20:16,210
location spots yeah we do that but in

3374
02:20:20,580 --> 02:20:18,609
terms of video footage no no but a lot

3375
02:20:23,190 --> 02:20:20,590
of times if we have obviously if we have

3376
02:20:24,870 --> 02:20:23,200
you know some eyewitness who captured

3377
02:20:26,490 --> 02:20:24,880
something intriguing on camera we want

3378
02:20:27,900 --> 02:20:26,500
to see that and a lot of times they'll

3379
02:20:29,639 --> 02:20:27,910
send us a low-res and we'll take a look

3380
02:20:31,230 --> 02:20:29,649
at it some of it's quite impressive did

3381
02:20:33,540 --> 02:20:31,240
you guys see the California episode I

3382
02:20:36,389 --> 02:20:33,550
saw part of it then I ran to a problem

3383
02:20:37,530 --> 02:20:36,399
with my computer's DVD drive so I've

3384
02:20:39,360 --> 02:20:37,540
seen the half of it

3385
02:20:41,580 --> 02:20:39,370
I'll have to see the other half either

3386
02:20:43,560 --> 02:20:41,590
you know shortly thereafter and

3387
02:20:46,050 --> 02:20:43,570
hopefully get LV DS and the rest of the

3388
02:20:48,210 --> 02:20:46,060
episodes but I got into like number

3389
02:20:50,520 --> 02:20:48,220
twenty five minutes I think and then

3390
02:20:52,020 --> 02:20:50,530
okay I had to restart the computer and

3391
02:20:54,179 --> 02:20:52,030
then there's does this is Arizona

3392
02:20:57,030 --> 02:20:54,189
there's a lot of dust it gets inside

3393
02:20:58,320 --> 02:20:57,040
those slot loading DVD drives and every

3394
02:21:02,480 --> 02:20:58,330
so often I have to clean the thing out

3395
02:21:05,070 --> 02:21:02,490
so I'll excuse folks this is true okay

3396
02:21:06,660 --> 02:21:05,080
not some big conspiracy and man in black

3397
02:21:09,870 --> 02:21:06,670
came and shut your computer down

3398
02:21:11,340 --> 02:21:09,880
that Shh you can't handle the truth

3399
02:21:13,469 --> 02:21:11,350
keep your day job I don't think

3400
02:21:15,330 --> 02:21:13,479
imitations does it I wanted rich little

3401
02:21:18,990 --> 02:21:15,340
little feeling needs to be replaced

3402
02:21:22,650 --> 02:21:19,000
anytime soon his first mistake turned

3403
02:21:30,420 --> 02:21:22,660
out to be his last how's that you can't

3404
02:21:33,150 --> 02:21:30,430
handle the truth forget it if we try to

3405
02:21:35,100 --> 02:21:33,160
do that listeners are just going to

3406
02:21:36,810 --> 02:21:35,110
leave us in droves so listen to Brand X

3407
02:21:40,260 --> 02:21:36,820
where they don't hear any really good

3408
02:21:43,860 --> 02:21:40,270
interviews good band Brand X that's

3409
02:21:46,469 --> 02:21:43,870
right for future episodes can you give

3410
02:21:48,690 --> 02:21:46,479
us in the remaining segment the bill of

3411
02:21:50,280 --> 02:21:48,700
fare what will we expect for episode

3412
02:21:54,090 --> 02:21:50,290
number three I assume they're all in the

3413
02:21:57,660 --> 02:21:54,100
can now right yes yes well we talked a

3414
02:22:00,780 --> 02:21:57,670
little bit about Virginia there is we

3415
02:22:03,570 --> 02:22:00,790
went to Arizona and we managed to track

3416
02:22:07,410 --> 02:22:03,580
down which is really cool we managed to

3417
02:22:11,160 --> 02:22:07,420
track down a gentleman who shot the only

3418
02:22:14,730 --> 02:22:11,170
footage I've ever seen of what appears

3419
02:22:18,960 --> 02:22:14,740
to be a very large boomerang shaped

3420
02:22:20,490 --> 02:22:18,970
object flying overhead and the

3421
02:22:23,040 --> 02:22:20,500
interesting thing about this was I knew

3422
02:22:24,600 --> 02:22:23,050
about the footage and I featured a

3423
02:22:26,310 --> 02:22:24,610
little bit of it and I know what I saw

3424
02:22:29,130 --> 02:22:26,320
but I didn't know who shot it

3425
02:22:30,870 --> 02:22:29,140
you know you James are you friend of the

3426
02:22:34,860 --> 02:22:30,880
Phoenix lights the famous Phoenix lights

3427
02:22:38,429 --> 02:22:34,870
March no no I'm not it was shot five

3428
02:22:42,120 --> 02:22:38,439
four four or five years earlier 93 I

3429
02:22:44,130 --> 02:22:42,130
think but it's in the Phoenix area and

3430
02:22:47,190 --> 02:22:44,140
it's of a very large boomerang shaped

3431
02:22:50,610 --> 02:22:47,200
craft okay so the footage I'm referring

3432
02:22:54,210 --> 02:22:50,620
to is we managed to track down the guy

3433
02:22:57,300 --> 02:22:54,220
behind some footage that appeared sort

3434
02:22:59,820 --> 02:22:57,310
of somewhat mysteriously the no name

3435
02:23:01,860 --> 02:22:59,830
attached to it no witnesses you know

3436
02:23:03,990 --> 02:23:01,870
voices from the people who shot it but

3437
02:23:05,610 --> 02:23:04,000
that's it and the footage is impressive

3438
02:23:08,910 --> 02:23:05,620
but somewhat inconclusive because

3439
02:23:10,260 --> 02:23:08,920
without you know someone describing what

3440
02:23:11,580 --> 02:23:10,270
was seen with the naked eye and the

3441
02:23:14,340 --> 02:23:11,590
experience prior to getting the camera

3442
02:23:16,440 --> 02:23:14,350
on you kind of left going hmm well we

3443
02:23:18,630 --> 02:23:16,450
managed to track down that guy and we

3444
02:23:20,310 --> 02:23:18,640
did an interview with him which is quite

3445
02:23:22,230 --> 02:23:20,320
impressive actually footage take

3446
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93 that'll be featured in the upcoming

3447
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episode I think it's gonna be out on the

3448
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20th so sorry um what am I saying

3449
02:23:32,640 --> 02:23:31,000
on the gosh you can be the following

3450
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week so that'd be like the seventh

3451
02:23:39,060 --> 02:23:34,480
eighth I'm not sure they have to look up

3452
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on Nat Geo tv.com but so we have the

3453
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Travis Walton case when revisited don't

3454
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we are the dates by the way just go to

3455
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the site and we have at the end of the

3456
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era cast com there's a direct link to

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the shows page this way there's no

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question about finding the episodes that

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will interest you you'll see what's

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upcoming from there thank you I'm trying

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hello this is rosemary ellen guiley and

3560
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you're listening to the podcast the gold

3561
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standard a paranormal radio I think

3562
02:29:02,751 --> 02:29:00,811
we're being possessed on the power cast

3563
02:29:05,301 --> 02:29:02,761
ladies and gentlemen James Fox has

3564
02:29:08,360 --> 02:29:05,311
possessed the entire show and he's

3565
02:29:11,511 --> 02:29:08,370
currently possessing 1/3 of chasing UFOs

3566
02:29:14,780 --> 02:29:11,521
and as we've mentioned before he has two

3567
02:29:16,280 --> 02:29:14,790
partners Erin Ryder and Ben McGee and

3568
02:29:18,980 --> 02:29:16,290
they do riding around the country

3569
02:29:20,720 --> 02:29:18,990
looking for UFOs and we talked about an

3570
02:29:23,211 --> 02:29:20,730
episode that will cover things that are

3571
02:29:25,011 --> 02:29:23,221
happening in Phoenix what other episodes

3572
02:29:27,860 --> 02:29:25,021
can we look forward to let's maybe have

3573
02:29:32,270 --> 02:29:27,870
a summary of a few more okay we've got

3574
02:29:37,461 --> 02:29:32,280
we went to Mexico Chichen itzá we had a

3575
02:29:41,110 --> 02:29:37,471
close encounter with a with a creature

3576
02:29:44,360 --> 02:29:41,120
in the forest whoa stop stop stop

3577
02:29:45,740 --> 02:29:44,370
where'd this happened yeah it's funny

3578
02:29:49,520 --> 02:29:45,750
too we were teaching it and we actually

3579
02:29:51,980 --> 02:29:49,530
got access to the place entirely on our

3580
02:29:54,291 --> 02:29:51,990
own at night for like five hours so this

3581
02:29:57,230 --> 02:29:54,301
was a specific place in that city where

3582
02:29:59,421 --> 02:29:57,240
things had gone wrong or things had

3583
02:30:03,020 --> 02:29:59,431
happened yeah Chichen Itza is an ancient

3584
02:30:05,390 --> 02:30:03,030
Mayan city that is at the end of the

3585
02:30:08,930 --> 02:30:05,400
Yucatan Peninsula right outside the city

3586
02:30:15,081 --> 02:30:08,940
of Merida okay that geography lesson now

3587
02:30:18,921 --> 02:30:15,091
what did you guys see we okay so it was

3588
02:30:21,350 --> 02:30:18,931
really funny when we got there one of

3589
02:30:24,051 --> 02:30:21,360
the well first of all we got to we

3590
02:30:26,480 --> 02:30:24,061
rented the place out for five hours at

3591
02:30:28,070 --> 02:30:26,490
night it's incredible I got to hike up

3592
02:30:30,381 --> 02:30:28,080
El Castillo it's at the four-sided

3593
02:30:33,560 --> 02:30:30,391
pyramid that the Mayans built for the

3594
02:30:35,060 --> 02:30:33,570
feathered serpent that apparently

3595
02:30:36,470 --> 02:30:35,070
descended from the heavens and shared

3596
02:30:39,921 --> 02:30:36,480
with them all kinds of secrets and

3597
02:30:41,990 --> 02:30:39,931
whatnot and it was just incredible had

3598
02:30:43,820 --> 02:30:42,000
the opportunity to walk around on that

3599
02:30:46,910 --> 02:30:43,830
and investigate but one of the night

3600
02:30:49,190 --> 02:30:46,920
guards and water desperately to show me

3601
02:30:51,291 --> 02:30:49,200
something and he showed me this

3602
02:30:54,051 --> 02:30:51,301
photograph that he had taken in the

3603
02:30:55,380 --> 02:30:54,061
daylight and he was just you know he's

3604
02:30:59,400 --> 02:30:55,390
just a groundskeeper

3605
02:31:01,830 --> 02:30:59,410
and it revealed what appears to be a

3606
02:31:04,020 --> 02:31:01,840
creature looking over one of the walls

3607
02:31:08,520 --> 02:31:04,030
it looked like an alien kind of thing

3608
02:31:12,600 --> 02:31:08,530
and was rather interesting actually to

3609
02:31:20,280 --> 02:31:12,610
see but so we're out there like poking

3610
02:31:21,570 --> 02:31:20,290
around the forest and this we find out

3611
02:31:23,761 --> 02:31:21,580
later there's all kinds of poisonous

3612
02:31:26,040 --> 02:31:23,771
snakes out there and but we stumbled

3613
02:31:28,200 --> 02:31:26,050
upon with infrared you find out my

3614
02:31:31,740 --> 02:31:28,210
lighter that really is the unkindest cut

3615
02:31:33,660 --> 02:31:31,750
of all I give away what we saw or no you

3616
02:31:35,340 --> 02:31:33,670
know what we obviously want people to

3617
02:31:37,710 --> 02:31:35,350
watch the show once give us a hint

3618
02:31:38,910 --> 02:31:37,720
enough of the hint where people will

3619
02:31:40,620 --> 02:31:38,920
actually want to see the show I

3620
02:31:42,480 --> 02:31:40,630
understand the marketing here there's a

3621
02:31:44,150 --> 02:31:42,490
lot of marketing on this show and we

3622
02:31:47,700 --> 02:31:44,160
want to create a little bit of suspense

3623
02:31:49,830 --> 02:31:47,710
say whatever you know here we came

3624
02:31:55,740 --> 02:31:49,840
across something alive that would have

3625
02:31:56,190 --> 02:31:55,750
been extremely very dangerous let's put

3626
02:31:58,530 --> 02:31:56,200
it that way

3627
02:31:59,790 --> 02:31:58,540
we captured it on clear that's not

3628
02:32:01,560 --> 02:31:59,800
really interesting having those

3629
02:32:03,660 --> 02:32:01,570
instruments out there under the cover of

3630
02:32:05,850 --> 02:32:03,670
darkness you pick up things out there I

3631
02:32:06,150 --> 02:32:05,860
mean that the forest is teeming with

3632
02:32:08,551 --> 02:32:06,160
life

3633
02:32:10,950 --> 02:32:08,561
that you don't really see with the naked

3634
02:32:13,950 --> 02:32:10,960
eye you suddenly have night vision

3635
02:32:16,380 --> 02:32:13,960
infrared whatnot and you know remember

3636
02:32:19,680 --> 02:32:16,390
night-vision goggles were from alien

3637
02:32:22,170 --> 02:32:19,690
technology right that's what Corso would

3638
02:32:28,230 --> 02:32:22,180
say isn't it oh don't get me started

3639
02:32:30,480 --> 02:32:28,240
about that all right so they see the

3640
02:32:32,790 --> 02:32:30,490
creature will have to wait for the

3641
02:32:37,020 --> 02:32:32,800
episode where else am I going for this

3642
02:32:39,690 --> 02:32:37,030
first season I'm sorry Brazil we went to

3643
02:32:41,610 --> 02:32:39,700
Mexico we went to Florida went to the

3644
02:32:44,730 --> 02:32:41,620
Everglades went Cape Canaveral

3645
02:32:51,630 --> 02:32:44,740
we went obviously to Texas New Mexico

3646
02:32:53,060 --> 02:32:51,640
Arizona Colorado I think and then

3647
02:32:55,801 --> 02:32:53,070
California

3648
02:32:57,210 --> 02:32:55,811
so basically okay so do you have a lot

3649
02:33:01,051 --> 02:32:57,220
of places to go to that you haven't gone

3650
02:33:04,410 --> 02:33:01,061
to yet and we have to hope yes I want to

3651
02:33:06,840 --> 02:33:04,420
do more international stuff okay like I

3652
02:33:08,100 --> 02:33:06,850
said at the show does well I'd like to

3653
02:33:09,099 --> 02:33:08,110
shed some light on the fact that you

3654
02:33:10,500 --> 02:33:09,109
know a lot of

3655
02:33:13,449 --> 02:33:10,510
Americans think that this is a

3656
02:33:15,069 --> 02:33:13,459
phenomenon that happens primarily right

3657
02:33:17,679 --> 02:33:15,079
here in America and it's sort of secret

3658
02:33:19,899 --> 02:33:17,689
military craft but it's not the case at

3659
02:33:21,550 --> 02:33:19,909
all I mean these things there's some

3660
02:33:24,250 --> 02:33:21,560
amazing cases that happened in Africa

3661
02:33:26,710 --> 02:33:24,260
and other parts of South America I

3662
02:33:29,349 --> 02:33:26,720
believe Italy's kind of a hot spot right

3663
02:33:31,929 --> 02:33:29,359
now China there's the largest UFO group

3664
02:33:36,399 --> 02:33:31,939
and world as a million people going on

3665
02:33:38,439 --> 02:33:36,409
to China Australia New Zealand yeah so

3666
02:33:41,319 --> 02:33:38,449
I'd like to shed light around the world

3667
02:33:43,599 --> 02:33:41,329
I'd like to continue to do that yeah

3668
02:33:46,179 --> 02:33:43,609
they just they just launched the the

3669
02:33:49,149 --> 02:33:46,189
first Chinese woman astronaut I think

3670
02:33:51,219 --> 02:33:49,159
last week and as the the the rocket was

3671
02:33:53,559 --> 02:33:51,229
leaving the atmosphere a couple of UFO

3672
02:33:56,319 --> 02:33:53,569
showed up and shadowed it for four ways

3673
02:33:58,359 --> 02:33:56,329
and they got got it on film from I think

3674
02:33:59,769 --> 02:33:58,369
the Gobi Desert they had a camera array

3675
02:34:02,849 --> 02:33:59,779
that was filming it from the side and

3676
02:34:06,159 --> 02:34:02,859
and were able to get some visual data

3677
02:34:08,170 --> 02:34:06,169
Wow Wow

3678
02:34:10,599 --> 02:34:08,180
we know everything here nothing happens

3679
02:34:12,609 --> 02:34:10,609
that we don't hear about I don't know

3680
02:34:15,550 --> 02:34:12,619
that we have listeners in China I know

3681
02:34:18,369 --> 02:34:15,560
we have listeners in Europe in Australia

3682
02:34:20,199 --> 02:34:18,379
and New Zealand etc etc I don't know

3683
02:34:23,229 --> 02:34:20,209
that we're in China but I kind of

3684
02:34:25,479 --> 02:34:23,239
suspect we are yeah well you know if

3685
02:34:26,859 --> 02:34:25,489
anyone out there has any exactly if you

3686
02:34:28,869 --> 02:34:26,869
don't mind me saying this one more time

3687
02:34:30,790 --> 02:34:28,879
okay went out there has any good cases

3688
02:34:33,489 --> 02:34:30,800
photographs evidence they'd like us to

3689
02:34:35,319 --> 02:34:33,499
pursue please please please with sugar

3690
02:34:39,069 --> 02:34:35,329
on top go to my website I know what I

3691
02:34:40,809 --> 02:34:39,079
saw the movie calm and contact me I do

3692
02:34:42,130 --> 02:34:40,819
get back to everyone sometimes it takes

3693
02:34:43,899 --> 02:34:42,140
me a little while but I promise you I'll

3694
02:34:47,349 --> 02:34:43,909
get back to you I know what I saw it was

3695
02:34:50,139 --> 02:34:47,359
not about and does anybody else have any

3696
02:34:55,149 --> 02:34:50,149
information on that sighting over the

3697
02:34:56,380 --> 02:34:55,159
Chinese airport there's quite a bit of

3698
02:34:57,729 --> 02:34:56,390
stuff out there if you do a little

3699
02:34:59,889 --> 02:34:57,739
research there's quite a number of

3700
02:35:04,239 --> 02:34:59,899
people that have looked into that and

3701
02:35:06,309 --> 02:35:04,249
and there was actually three sets of

3702
02:35:07,750 --> 02:35:06,319
sightings over Chinese airports during

3703
02:35:09,460 --> 02:35:07,760
the time parade but the I think you're

3704
02:35:12,909 --> 02:35:09,470
referring to the the first one which was

3705
02:35:17,559 --> 02:35:12,919
the most notorious one yeah fairly shut

3706
02:35:19,330 --> 02:35:17,569
the airport down yeah I'll do that for

3707
02:35:22,300 --> 02:35:19,340
you I I do have a little file on that

3708
02:35:22,870 --> 02:35:22,310
I'll shoot it your way and of course

3709
02:35:26,170 --> 02:35:22,880
we've got the

3710
02:35:28,510 --> 02:35:26,180
hair incident which I can't believe we

3711
02:35:30,670 --> 02:35:28,520
haven't had more traction on can you

3712
02:35:32,620 --> 02:35:30,680
imagine I know there's a photograph of

3713
02:35:37,000 --> 02:35:32,630
that UFO because I got now old of the

3714
02:35:39,520 --> 02:35:37,010
FAA tapes in the tower and I can hear

3715
02:35:43,389 --> 02:35:39,530
them mention the photograph well did you

3716
02:35:46,810 --> 02:35:43,399
detect the NARC cap site at all because

3717
02:35:48,490 --> 02:35:46,820
I believe that information there I'm

3718
02:35:51,280 --> 02:35:48,500
sorry there's an organization called

3719
02:35:54,100 --> 02:35:51,290
Nora camp yeah yeah no I'm familiar with

3720
02:35:58,320 --> 02:35:54,110
dark cap right they I believe have some

3721
02:36:01,270 --> 02:35:58,330
information there okay all right cool

3722
02:36:04,230 --> 02:36:01,280
that's the National Aviation Reporting

3723
02:36:08,740 --> 02:36:04,240
Center yeah which means Richard hey

3724
02:36:10,750 --> 02:36:08,750
there's Peter Davenport with what's his

3725
02:36:12,060 --> 02:36:10,760
organization called the national UFO

3726
02:36:19,389 --> 02:36:12,070
Reporting Service

3727
02:36:24,190 --> 02:36:19,399
okay not NICAP not nycap nor cap okay if

3728
02:36:26,320 --> 02:36:24,200
you go to Nara cap narca p org national

3729
02:36:29,679 --> 02:36:26,330
aviation Reporting Center on anomalous

3730
02:36:33,510 --> 02:36:29,689
phenomena we've had Richard show so you

3731
02:36:36,190 --> 02:36:33,520
know we do know these people right so

3732
02:36:37,900 --> 02:36:36,200
that might be one place to check I can

3733
02:36:39,550 --> 02:36:37,910
see now that you guys could do this show

3734
02:36:41,500 --> 02:36:39,560
for ten years and barely cover the

3735
02:36:44,320 --> 02:36:41,510
service are you going to focus on any of

3736
02:36:46,420 --> 02:36:44,330
the site issues such as disclosure such

3737
02:36:48,700 --> 02:36:46,430
as what the government's may know or not

3738
02:36:49,860 --> 02:36:48,710
know or focus strictly on the case

3739
02:36:53,969 --> 02:36:49,870
histories

3740
02:36:56,679 --> 02:36:53,979
one thing that I am already pushing for

3741
02:36:57,790 --> 02:36:56,689
call me crazy but and I had to figure

3742
02:37:01,240 --> 02:36:57,800
out a way of doing this

3743
02:37:03,760 --> 02:37:01,250
excuse me crazy you now call crazy yes I

3744
02:37:06,480 --> 02:37:03,770
wouldn't be at first but I would really

3745
02:37:09,190 --> 02:37:06,490
like to I'd like to go to the hill and

3746
02:37:10,480 --> 02:37:09,200
talk to members of Congress and bring

3747
02:37:12,130 --> 02:37:10,490
with me

3748
02:37:14,410 --> 02:37:12,140
the highest-ranking military officers I

3749
02:37:15,790 --> 02:37:14,420
can get my hands on and go out there and

3750
02:37:17,139 --> 02:37:15,800
say what's it gonna take to get this

3751
02:37:18,670 --> 02:37:17,149
story out sir

3752
02:37:20,440 --> 02:37:18,680
what's it gonna take to get

3753
02:37:22,570 --> 02:37:20,450
congressional hearings what's it gonna

3754
02:37:24,429 --> 02:37:22,580
take to rattle your cage is enough where

3755
02:37:27,639 --> 02:37:24,439
we can actually you know get to the

3756
02:37:29,469 --> 02:37:27,649
bottom of this well just long he's the

3757
02:37:31,179 --> 02:37:29,479
the ex-head of non-lethal weapons

3758
02:37:32,610 --> 02:37:31,189
technology development he should be able

3759
02:37:34,929 --> 02:37:32,620
to put the fear of God in these guys

3760
02:37:36,370 --> 02:37:34,939
well you know it's also really neat I

3761
02:37:36,640 --> 02:37:36,380
think this whole initiative that he just

3762
02:37:40,720 --> 02:37:36,650
saw

3763
02:37:43,291 --> 02:37:40,730
about you know amnesty yeah kind of an

3764
02:37:47,020 --> 02:37:43,301
interesting angle that's a twist

3765
02:37:48,820 --> 02:37:47,030
advantages give amnesty to et give

3766
02:37:49,961 --> 02:37:48,830
amnesty to the witness and military

3767
02:37:51,581 --> 02:37:49,971
witnesses so they can come forward

3768
02:37:54,251 --> 02:37:51,591
without you know for your prosecution or

3769
02:37:56,011 --> 02:37:54,261
they yell we send security us after 30

3770
02:37:58,841 --> 02:37:56,021
years or something

3771
02:38:01,060 --> 02:37:58,851
well that's that's just an idea that

3772
02:38:02,680 --> 02:38:01,070
maybe you could put a time talking about

3773
02:38:04,780 --> 02:38:02,690
even even before that but you know I

3774
02:38:07,230 --> 02:38:04,790
would like to I hey man I would love

3775
02:38:10,240 --> 02:38:07,240
nothing more than to really use Nat Geo

3776
02:38:12,341 --> 02:38:10,250
to you know get access to areas that I

3777
02:38:14,440 --> 02:38:12,351
can't normally get access to tell the

3778
02:38:18,421 --> 02:38:14,450
listeners in 30 seconds or less about

3779
02:38:23,190 --> 02:38:18,431
chasing UFOs it's a fun entertaining

3780
02:38:27,341 --> 02:38:23,200
informative and I think an interesting

3781
02:38:30,430 --> 02:38:27,351
blend of of characters in pursuit of

3782
02:38:33,190 --> 02:38:30,440
good solid evidence from good solid

3783
02:38:35,650 --> 02:38:33,200
cases from around the world and by the

3784
02:38:38,501 --> 02:38:35,660
way folks you can also check out Chris's

3785
02:38:41,381 --> 02:38:38,511
updated our strange planet comm we have

3786
02:38:44,051 --> 02:38:41,391
the power cast on Twitter and also you

3787
02:38:46,780 --> 02:38:44,061
can check us out forum dr. Peric ascom

3788
02:38:48,850 --> 02:38:46,790
james fox thanks for joining us on the

3789
02:38:55,530 --> 02:38:48,860
power cast thanks so much for having me

3790
02:39:01,929 --> 02:38:59,050
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3791
02:39:04,920 --> 02:39:01,939
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3792
02:39:08,650 --> 02:39:04,930
presentation of making the impossible